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Can anyone help with this little mystery please? I have a John Spooner on my tree b1809 in Steeple Essex. He married a Susan b1832 in Barlow Essex. I cant find a trace of their children or anything to do with his early years,ie a birth certificate or marriage certificate. I have contacted other people who have relatives with surname Spooner from around the same time in Steeple but no-one has heard of my John!!! Total mystery... Thanks. Emma

You wont find any certs because this was before civil registration started. Best place to start looking is the IGI. OC

Have you got him on 1841 or 1851 census? If his wife wasn't born until 1832 then he should be single on 1841 and probably would have his kids with him in 1851 or 1861. Sam x

What is the source of your info? When did John & Sarah marry? Reg

Where did you first get the information about John to add him to your tree?

1881 census for reference Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability John SPOONER Head M Male 72 Seeple, Essex, England Boot Maker Susan SPOONER Wife M Female 49 Barlow, Essex, England John SPOONER G Son U Male 24 Hackney, Middlesex, England Boot Maker Benjamin SPOONER G Son U Male 21 Hackney, Middlesex, England Boot Maker Fanny SPOONER G Dau U Female 20 Hackney, Middlesex, England Boot sewer STEEPLE is under registration district of Maldon,Essex

Chap with wife right birthyear and name in 1861 but no children: Bethnal Green Middlesex John Spooner abt 1806 Hyeleing, Essex, Head Susan Spooner abt 1832 Barking, Essex, Wife this John is a carman

My Gt Gt Grandfather is listed as living with him on one of the census, I think the 1881. He is down as Johns Grandson. I have worked on this for about 4 months and ive checked all the census. The trouble is that on another census he has put that he was b1806 in Hyeling, Essex....I cant even find where Hyeling was!!! Am wondering whether he assumed this identity?

These must be the grandsons + in 1861............. Benjamin Spooner abt 1833 Essex, England Head South Hackney Middlesex View Record Benjamin Spooner abt 1860 Hackney, Middlesex, England Son South Hackney Middlesex View Record Charlotte Spooner abt 1858 Hackney, Middlesex, England Daughter South Hackney Middlesex View Record Elisabeth Spooner abt 1855 Hackney, Middlesex, England Daughter South Hackney Middlesex View Record Jane Spooner abt 1835 Limehouse, Middlesex, England Wife South Hackney Middlesex View Record John Spooner abt 1856 Hackney, Middlesex, England Son South Hackney Middlesex Reg

Benjamin b1860 is my Gt gt Grandfather but I dont know of Charlotte etc. Cant find out who Benjamins Father was, all I know is that Benjamins Grandfather was this elusive John!! Oh, the John b1856 is his brother I think, where did you get that info?

Benjamins (1860) father was Benjamin (c 1833)

I don't think you'll find any children for John and Susan.........any offspring would be from his first marriage. Benjamin is clearly one...........any others I wonder? If the question is for me, Emma......it's 1861 census on Ancestry Reg

1851 census *****Benjamin Spomer abt 1832 Steeple, Essex, England Nephew Bromley St Leonard Middlesex Hannah Spomer abt 1813 Southminster, Essex, England Wife Bromley St Leonard Middlesex Somerset Spomer abt 1813 Steeple, Essex, England Head Bromley St Leonard Middlesex Somerset Spomer abt 1837 Southminster, Essex, England Son Bromley St Leonard Middlesex

Benjamin's marriage to Jane.........the cert will confirm his father's details...... Benjamin Spooner 1854 Jan-Feb-Mar Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex View Record Jane White 1854 Jan-Feb-Mar Hackney Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1b Page: 345 Reg

Wow!! Im amazed, ive trawled through the different census and couldnt find anything about Benjamin b1833. I wonder who his wife was? I didnt know about Charlotte Elisabeth or Jane either, although I did know about John. How did you all find this information, I must be looking at the wrong sites. Can we make a positive connection between Benjamin b1833 and John b1809?

See the info about Benjamin's marriage............. Reg

Will do, thank you all so much. Very appreciated.

Hyeling, like Barlow, is probably a mistranscription. nell

The family in 1871.....in case you haven't got thie info Benj Spooner abt 1833 Maldon, Essex, England Head St Leonard Shoreditch London View Record Benjn Spooner abt 1860 Son St Leonard Shoreditch London View Record Charlotte Spooner abt 1858 Hackney, Middlesex, England Daughter St Leonard Shoreditch London View Record Eliza Spooner abt 1855 Hackney, Middlesex, England Daughter St Leonard Shoreditch London View Record Jane Spooner abt 1861 Daughter St Leonard Shoreditch London View Record John Spooner abt 1856 Hackney, Middlesex, England Son St Leonard Shoreditch London Benj snr is a Widower......... Reg

No wonder I couldnt find Hyeling in any records!!! I have seen the name Somerset Spooner before when Ive been looking for a connection, am thrilled to have more info to work on...