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Hmmmm, this could be Mary Ann in 1851, but no sign of Caroline! Mary A Turner abt 1811 London, Middlesex, England Visitor Dudley Worcestershire She is a widow, a dressmaker visiting the Lacy family. DUR, I just realised you said Caroline got married in 1849. Wait a minute, does none of the stuff I have found make any sense, then? If both her parents were still living in 1849, er, who were they? I have got completely confused now and I think I will have to take a break from this until you come back and sort it out, Sinead. Surely that Edwin Salvidge marrying Mary Ann Turner has to be yours? Now, wait a minute, I did find another Edwin Salvidge marriage in 1849 which I ignored because there wasn't a Mary Ann: Marriages Dec 1849 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ashwood Jane Wolverhampton 17 421 Hazeldine Eliza Wolverhampton 17 421 Hickin Lousia Wolstanton 17 421 Lovitt Harriett Bridget Wolverhampton 17 421 Parker John Wolverhampton 17 421 Salvidge Edwin Wolverhampton 17 421 Smith Martha Wolverhampton 17 421 Thompson Joseph Wolverhampton 17 421 Williams Joseph Wolverhampton 17 421 I'm afraid my brain has got so addled with this that I can't even work out what local BMD site Wolverhampton should be on to see if I can figure out who he married. But anyway, I shall have to post this up so I can reread what you said at the beginning and try and work out whether any of these people are connected with Caroline at all!! Kate

Hi all, Here is my problem!Edwin Salvidge,born 1803 Somerset,marrie Mary Ann ? born 1804 Middlesex,London. Their daughter Caroline ,1829,Bedminster,marries Samuel Barber in 1849 in Bristol when both parents are still living.The only trace I can find of either parents is 1871 Wales Census where Edwin and Mary Ann Salvidge are living in St. Woollos,Monmouthshire where they die in 1878 (birth given there at about 1813) They appear in no other census in england or Wales from 1841,51 +61.So where do I go from here please? Thanks, Sinead xxx

Hiya Sinead, remember me? Well, this must be them in 1861, in England: Edwin Salvage abt 1811 Bristol Brother-in-law Warwick St Nicholas Warwickshire View Record Mary Ann Salvage abt 1810 Paddington Sister-in-law Warwick St Nicholas Warwickshire Back in a minute when I've figured out which head of household they belong to! Kate.

Okay, this is the head of household in 1861, a fish dealer (as is Edwin): Elam Mitchell abt 1825 Yeovil Summersit Head Warwick St Nicholas Warwickshire Name really does look like Elam. He is unmarried. Not quite sure how Edwin and Mary Ann come to be his brother-in-law and sister-in-law. Could be that he is a step-brother to one of them? There is nobody else in the household except the 3 of them. Kate.

hiya, have also looked at image, it seems to me that mitchell is marys madien name, it would fit with him being bro in law, maybe enumerator misheard about mary being his sister???? hope that made sense Julie

Well, it could be that Mary Ann was born a Mitchell but it seems a bit unlikely given that she was born in Paddington, London and Elam was born in Yeovil, Somerset. Still, could be. Kate.

By the way, Elam is down as 'Elon Mitchel' in 1851 on ancestry but Edwin and Mary Ann are not with him. Kate.

hiya, after finding this it seems unlikely that mitchell was her maiden name, more likely like you said kate, is a step bro to edwin, or suchlike, 1841 View Record Elone Mitchell abt 1827 Dudley Worcestershire View Record Edwn Salvidge abt 1806 Dudley Worcestershire View Record Rosena Salvidge abt 1811 Dudley Worcestershire waddya think???? julie NONE born in county

Sinead, if you're there, can you just refresh my memory, please? Did I once look through Bedminster baptisms for Caroline Salvidge and draw a blank? I'm just wondering if Edwin was just her stepfather and if she could be baptised under a different surname, given that she isn't with Edwin in 1841. By the way, those 3 in 1841 all have occupation 'hawker', and are listed in this order: Edwn, Rosina, Elone. Kate.

Ah, it's starting to make sense now! Marriages Jun 1841 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arnold John Birmingham 16 330 BIDDLE Martha Birmingham 16 330 DRAPER Eleanor Birmingham 16 330 Holder Thomas Birmingham 16 330 Mitchell Rosina Birmingham 16 330 RAINBOW John Birmingham 16 330 SALVIDGE Edwin Birmingham 16 330 SORRELL Maria Birmingham 16 330 So Elam was most likely Rosina's brother, and that made Edwin his brother-in-law. Presumably Rosina then died and Edwin remarried, to Mary Ann. I'll see if I can find any of that... Kate.

This looks like Rosina's death: Deaths Jun 1849 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Salvidge Rosina Dudley 18 224 And This could be the marriage to Mary Ann: Marriages Sep 1851 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Allender Henry Dudley 18 375 Bayliss David Dudley 18 375 Bould Maria Dudley 18 375 Bradley Maria Dudley 18 375 Jackson Elizabeth Dudley 18 375 Morris William Dudley 18 375 Salvidge Edwin Dudley 18 375 TURNER Mary Ann Dudley 18 375 So on the 1851 census, Edwin may not be with Mary Ann, but it looks likely that he would be in Dudley. Kate.

This is the entry from West Midlands BMD marriage index, which shows that Edwin did marry Mary Ann Turner out of all that list on FreeBMD: West Midlands Marriage indexes for the years: 1851 Surname Forename(s) Surname Forename(s) Church / Register Office Registers At Reference SALVIDGE Edwin TURNER Mary A Sedgley, All Saints Dudley 216/007/25 I am trying to find Caroline with Mary Ann on the 1851 now, but not having any luck at the minute. Still, at least you can get that marriage certificate and it should help you. Kate.

No, sorry, Sinead, I think we must have gone wrong somewhere but I am not sure where! When you get back, can you please tell me what it says for Caroline's father on her marriage certificate (and who the witnesses were), and whether you have any baptism details for her? Then maybe between us we can figure it out! Kate.

Actually, just before I get off the computer and go to fetch my daughter, I have managed to find out who that 1849 marriage was to: IGI Individual Record FamilySearch? International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Pedigree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Edwin Salvidge Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Parents: Father: John Phelps Salvidge Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: Harriett Bridget Lovitt Family Marriage: 12 NOV 1849 Bilston, Stafford, England But probably not your Edwin, anyway. And this is the IGI version of Edwin and Rosina's marriage: IGI Individual Record FamilySearch? International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download | Pedigree -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDWIN SALVIDGE Male Family -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Marriages: Spouse: ROSINA MITCHELL Family Marriage: 22 APR 1841 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick, England Anyway, gotta go. Kate.

Caroline in 1841 perhaps? Geo Chapmon abt 1791 Somerset, England Emborrow Somerset View Record Henry Jonson abt 1801 Somerset, England Emborrow Somerset View Record Caroline Salvidge abt 1829 Somerset, England Emborrow Somerset There is also this one................ Caroline Salvadge abt 1829 Somerset, England Bedminster Somerset View Record Ruth Salvadge abt 1801 Somerset, England Bedminster Somerset Reg

Hi all, Thanks for the replies - I have not been able to get back till now cos of kids and school stuff! I have as yet not gone through the data but do know. 1849 Caroline Salvidge married Samuel Barber in Bristol and her father is down as Edwin Salvidge,labourer. 1871 Census Edwin Salvidge,1803,Bristol,stWoollos,Monmouthshire Mary Ann , 1804,Middlesex,St Woollos,Monouthshire 1878 July Quarter - they both die (at the same time it has to be some sort of accident) but has a year of birth of about 1813 for both. Kate I have no idea if I asked you to look up a baptism - I had a stroke a while ago that severely affected my memory so have no idea about that. To recap. Edwin Salvidge - born Bristol Mary Ann ? - born Middlesex Caroline Salvidge - born and married and died in Bristol and Bedminster. Edwin and Mary Ann Salvidge both appear in 1871 Wales census and die in 1878! Clear as mud!!! Am going to go through the data you all go through all the data you found and try to make sense of it! Thank you, Sinead xxx

Sinead, I am so sorry to hear about your stroke. The name Samuel Barber definitely rings a bell which is why I wonder if I looked up Caroline as well? I'll have to look through my old messages and see if I can find out. But anyway, my guess is that 'Edwin Salvidge, labourer' may not be the same Edwin who you have found married to Mary Ann. But even if he is, Mary Ann can't be Caroline's mother since she didn't even marry Edwin until after Caroline married Samuel! So... ummm, I guess we are looking for any other Edwin Salvidge information we can find. Preferably before 1849, and even better, before 1841. If you get the marriage certificate for Edwin Salvidge and Rosina Mitchell you can at least see whether Edwin is down as widower or bachelor on there, which might help in working out whether he is the right Edwin. Oh, and did you say who the witnesses were on Caroline's marriage certificate? Kate.

Does Caroline's marriage cert have anything on it to indicate that her father was alive? A witness 'mark' perhaps? If not, maybe she gave the name for the sake of propriety..........is either of the ones posted for 1841 'your' Caroline? Reg

Okay, I have had a look at the Bristol Baptisms Index 1813-1837 (includes Bedminster) and there is no Caroline Salvidge, nor any children with father Edwin Salvidge. But... there is an Edwin Salvidge marriage in the Bristol Marriages Index 1813-1837. 6/06/1824 St. Paul Portland Square 2f page 96 number 286: Edwin Salvidge married Ruth Marshall. Both 'of this parish'. I think one of those 1841 Carolines was with a Ruth, wasn't she? So it could be that your Edwin died before 1841 (sorry but I don't have Bristol burials). Though what happened to Caroline's baptism, I don't know. Kate.

On her marriage certificate it gives her fathersn name as Edwin Salvidge but does not say deceased like it usually does. Witness- Henry Parfitt Henry Nash I have no idea where Mary Ann came from cos I cant remember where I got the info from and cos Caroline was born in 1829 it will have to be a visit to a record office to pull church registers for baptisms for Caroline Salvidge - probably in St Philip and St Jacob where she married. But seeing my health situation that is a touch unlikely! Maybe I will phone the record office and see what they say! Sinead