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They weren't at 23 Regent Street, Salford in 1881 - it's rg11/3965/115 and was a provision shop with Jane RHODES head single 30 provision dealer/shopkeeper born salford William Henry brother single 30 egenral wrehouseman born salford Eliza cousin single 24 silk winder born salford plus a couple of servants.

Jools - thanks for this,i'll go and look at the web site and let you know if i get any further. many thanks for all your help - christine

On that Bracegirlde website, it says that Anne Bracegirdle (nee Jones) was born c1848 and died 1913. However, I cannot see a death for an Ann between JFM 1913 and JFM 1914. Within that timescale - and discounting the ones whose age is obviously way out, there is only Mary AMJ 1913 age 70 Salford 8d/9

Well it's a new day &, now back from work, I've found just the webpage you need for the Bracegirdle family. http://members.tripod(.)com/~tree_tops/bracegirdle(.)html Delete the ( ) The whole family (including the elusive John William) are on the 1861 at rg9/2963/96/9, 333 Rochdale Road, Manchester Elizabeth Bracegirdle abt 1852 Manchester Daughter scholar Emily Bracegirdle abt 1833 Manchester Wife Emily L Bracegirdle abt 1858 Manchester Daughter >>>John William Bracegirdle abt 1855 Manchester Son scholar Thomas Bracegirdle abt 1830 Butley, Cheshire, England Head wheelwright However, by 1871 they could to be back in Cheshire (though details don't tie in exactly with the 1861 entry) rg10/3683/85/38 Park ?Street?, Ashton upon Mersey, Cheshire Eliza Bracegirdle abt 1833 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife Emily Bracegirdle abt 1859 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Hannah Bracegirdle abt 1862 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter Thomas Bracegirdle abt 1829 Prestbury, Cheshire, England Head Joiner Thomas Bracegirdle abt 1865 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son William Bracegirdle abt 1868 Ashton, Cheshire, England Son

Sorry, but must leave this for now - have to be up very early. Will catch up tomorrow. Jools

the only N Bracegirdle born appears to be flippin nellie herself!

Do you know who the N A Bracegirdle is?

Hi, no, both mother and father are alive at the time witnesses to marriage were A.james and N.A.Bracegirdle No haven't a clue. she was my grandmother and she died when my mother was 5 so she never knew of any relations Yes that's what i keep coming up with. any idea's of any other records i could look for ? Many thanks for you help. Night

Christine - at last :) Have you got Nellie's MC? Does it say father John is deceased or not?? Who were the witnesses?? Jess & I both are straw clutching.

chuckles Jess - ever think that doing these lookups are sometimes like plaiting fog??

Hi all, many thanks for trying to help. I have Nellie's birth certificate and it states 23 regent street manchesterin the sub-district of st.george. Father John is a painter. I have her parents marriage certificate for 9th july 1876. Residence at time of marriage is little bolton. The only information i have on Nellie is birth, marriage -1901 in manchester 1901 census,birth of 5 children and death in1913. I want to find out what went on between birth and marriage and who her siblings were. I suppose its possible she had none (unusual for those day's though) and where were they ???

sorry , born 77 not 88 - DOH! Do you like my boater? - i come from a long line of straw platters!

pmsl Jess - I think you could make a decent sized straw hat from that lot.

1891- John=George, Ann = mary ann ...'straws' and 'clutching' spring to mind here! Ann Barlow abt 1817 Rixton, Lancashire, England Head Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Clara Bracegirdle abt 1886 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Daughter Knutsford Inferior Cheshire George Bracegirdle abt 1861 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Head Knutsford Inferior Cheshire James Bracegirdle abt 1866 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Visitor Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Nellie Bracegirdle abt 1888 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Daughter Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Peter Bracegirdle abt 1882 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Son Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Sarah Ann Bracegirdle abt 1866 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Wife Knutsford Inferior Cheshire Sarah Ann Bracegirdle abt 1884 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Daughter Knutsford Inferior Cheshire William Bracegirdle abt 1890 Knutsford, Cheshire, England Son Knutsford Inferior Cheshire

its very odd- there are bucket loads of Bracegirdle's born , but very few feature in census at all!

Christine - I have to ask - have you got your information from Nellie's birth certificate?

Well I have given up on them for now. Too darn hot. A bit much fireworks this late Jools hope they don't go on too long. Germaine x

Jess - apart from the original message, we know sweet ****** It's sibling names she's after!!!!!!!!!! It would help if we knew which area of Manchester Regent St was I'm starting to frazzle on this one - and now we've got blasted fireworks going off (presumably some high class/more money than sense wedding at the hotel down the road) - blooming inconsiderate at half ten at night

Christine - WHERE ARE YOU????

They certainly are illusive, do we know any sibling names?