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I must admit-I hadn't thought of that! I know that Bessies dad had died (and heis not down as deceased) so ........ You do have a very valid point there -thanks.X

As Henry was not a named witness to the 1902 wedding, do you know for sure that he was still alive?

Hello Spike, have you got William's Birth Cert.?... (on 1837, Overseas) 1870.Strong. William H.J. Allahabad. vol1644 page76. also, National Archives has an Online Medal Card for him. Strong William H.J. Chris :)

Have checked ancestry death index manually rom 1903-1915 and found no fewer than 14 henry Strongs died in that time-all possibles!! Tried to teace the 'Kennerleigh' Henry born about 1836. can't find him in 1871. This is when if he is william's father-he would have been in India. But I have a long long way to go!! also none of the ones I have looked at in 1901 say that they are retired army-I would have thought they would have put that? Break now for tea!!

hiya spike, right then, have you begun looking for henrys death yet? if not then, better start with ancestry complete index Julie

Have just found Fredreick Pike (alice M Pikes Dad) on 1881. At Alphington (Fred was born there in 1858 ish,)Living 2 doors away with his family from Charlotte Davey and Daughter Bessie. So they allknew each other defintely!! He is down as Fredrk. So took a while to find him.. Still doesn't get me anywhere with rest of them but it all hleps!

Hi the son (William Henry John Strong) married Wilmott Bessie Davey In Parish Church of ALphington,Exeter,Devon 23 August 1902. The witness were Thomas William Ingram (Bessies sister Charlotte's husband-Charlotte was called 'Aniie' though!) and Alice Mary Pike-I haven't looked in to her yet I've just realised. William-Bachelor and Bessie Spinster. Address given Babbs Court Alphington-so is definitely them! William as Carpenter. Henry (Father) as Pensioner H.M Army. Thanks.X UPDATED Alice M Pike-living/born in Alphington born about 1887 On the same site my brother has is house now!! Think parents are Frederick Pike and Louisa Pike (Possibly Nee Stone. Marriage at Crediton of Frederick Pike and Louisa Stone 1883) another one originally from Crediton!! I thought it a nice place!-but they all seemed to leave.

as we dont really seem to be getting anywhere, with this line of enquiry, perhaps be better off looking for his death, after marriage of his son, we'll then get a better idea, when did his son marry???? at least if we can find a death we then can see if we can find other data, hope that made sense Julie

Yes looks like they overflowed to next door!!nite x

ok, see you later, take care, nite Julie

i did find this: 1901 cen William Stoneman abt 1819 Sandford, Devon, England Head Sandford Devon View Record Charles H Mortimer abt 1884 Sandford, Devon, England Son Sandford Devon View Record John Mortimer abt 1853 Cruwys Morchard, Devon, England Head Sandford Devon View Record Lucy Mortimer abt 1849 Sandford, Devon, England Wife Sandford Devon View Record Elsie J Mortimore abt 1886 Sandford, Devon, England Granddaughter Sandford Devon View Record Florence E Mortimore abt 1888 Sandford, Devon, England Granddaughter Sandford Devon grandchildren are listed as living with william stoneman aged 82 widow!!! would think that a stoneman daughter married a mortimore son!! julie

Off to bed now-Husbands moaning I haven't spoken to him!! Thanks for your help.xxx

Looking into john and Elizabeth-but lots of them in the same 10 miles square! so another evening I think!!!

Yes-The Alfords seem to pop up-one here-one there don't they!! There is a BOW in Devon though -It's about 20 miles away!-It's fairly near crediton.

tis me, with regard to stoneman and john alford, have you found them on any other census? praps they had daughter eliza, and john was a john james alford? hmmnn julie

me again, i jusyt looked at same image, with mortimores in 1881, did u notice another Alford, living with broome family, as apprentice blacksmith, from BOW but put as devon, bow is london, didnt think there was one in devon,, see below >>> John Gustavas Alford abt 1862 Bow, Devon, England Apprentice Sandford Devon View Record Bessie Louisa Bragg abt 1873 Sandford, Devon, England Daughter Sandford Devon View Record Frederick William Bragg abt 1879 Sandford, Devon, England Son Sandford Devon View Record Loveday Bragg abt 1843 Morchard Bishop, Devon, England Wife Sandford Devon View Record Richard Bragg abt 1834 Sandford, Devon, England Head Sandford Devon View Record Jane Leach abt 1865 Downe St Mary, Devon, England Servant Sandford Devon see what i mean julie

No they're not. Elizabeth husband on previous page. But other Alfords in nearby houses -and more Mortimores so they're probably all interbred anyway!

Is James sometimes used instaed of John? Just wondering whether the Elizabeth Stoneman and John Alford are in fact Eliza Alford and James Alford-perhaps they never actually married. I'll have to check dates on that now!!

I know nothing abot Henry-only he appears on Williams marriage cert-as Retired Army HMS-Someone told me William was born in Allahabad to 107th regiment-but that's it. Middle initial J or T-I can't be sure which!! (Henry)

Hi Just looked on 1881 for Mortimores. Found John and Lucy.married no kids-next door to an Elizabeth Stoneman ( the granny Alfords maiden name) and a John Henry Alford. this is confusing but exciting. Your'e definitely on to something!!! Can't go to bed now-got a second wind!!