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Hi, I know it's 9 years later but if anyone is still following this thread, my great grandfather is Arthur George Dickin/s b1873 He married Dora Pruett 1893 and supposedly died May 1917. There is allot of mystery around this man I know he travelled around allot and spent some time in London he also married Catherine Davy in Newcastle Upon Tyne in 1917
Regards Andy T

On 192*com there are entries for Arthurs with a Croydon post code. Living rellies? Sheila

hiya again right then, we now know, that cyril was a george, His Father was a George, Mother was an Amy E all we need now is a marriage, according to 1901 cen george b. 1875 wales Amy b.1878 high wycome theoretically marriage should be in brides parish, i'd start looking 1895 ish hope this helps Julie

Apparently Deakin was a common travellers' name. Suppose he changed his names around later because that's what he started off with?: George Cyril Deakin Year of Registration: 1904 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Wandsworth County: London, Surrey Volume: 1d Page: 713 Denis

Comforting to know I was on the right lines, even if F C got there first. Looks like another mystery solved. Sheila

Yes, FC, you have found we found out about them being Arthurs born in Croydon. We hadn't looked up father's details though, so many many thanks for that. You are so good at this.

Is it me? I have looked through births for the requisite years and cannot find Cyril George or Leslie Llewellyn under any surname beginning with 'Dick'. The only birth I can find for a Dickin in the last quarter of 1900 is Gertrude Fanny and I'm sure we don't want to take that up as a line of enquiry! I also can't find the 1925 marriage on Ancestry but I think that may be because they have yet another page missing! Maybe someone could have a look on 1837 to clear that one up. Back in the original post it said something about both the boys being fostered. Were they fostered by the Dickin family and took their name? I'm beginning to think that might be the answer. I'm not enough of an expert to know if there is any way we could search the indexes somewhere by Christian name. If we could and we could find Cyril George and Leslie Llewellyn Whatever we might have an answer. Any thoughts anyone? Sheila

1901. Don't think it was mothers maiden name!! Father was George Arthur just without the Dickin!! George Arthurs abt 1875 N Wales, Abergeldie, Wales Head Croydon Surrey .............>George C Arthurs abt 1900 Croydon Son Croydon Surrey Amy E Arthyrs abt 1878 High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, England Wife Croydon Surrey Address 44 Mitcham Rd. George is a Agent, Sewing Machines.

Birth. Dec 1900. George Cyril R. Arthurs. Dist Croydon, Vol 2a, Page 225. Dec 1902. Leslie Llewelyn Arthurs. Dist Croydon, Vol 2a, Page 261.

Hi checked Dec 1/4 of 1900 - Nothing (with any of the variables on imge) March and June 1/4's of 1901 (again nothing - the only one that keeps coming up is the birth in Northampton that has alrady been found) I personally think you should consider this one? if his father was a traveller then he could have been born in Northampton and travelled to London/Surrey when he was an infant and just thought he was born there? Of course its up to you but thats my thoughts on the matter. lol..... Suzanne

Have discussed a George Cyril b Oct 1900 in Croydon and a Leslie Llewelyn b last q 1902 in Croydon in the surname of Arthurs. At some stage they were fostered. Possibly were born under the mother's maiden name and married later. Will need to look in 1901 cenus and marriages for Dickin to an Arthurs. It's very exciting!!!

There is this death in 1981, names the other way around but if he went by George the person registing the death might have said it that way. Mar 1981. George Cyril Dickin, Dist Southend/S, Vol 9, Page 3095. D.O.B. 5 Oct 1900. Do you think this could be him? Or should I take another look? Update. Ok looks like I found the right death anyway! lol

Right, might be on to something now all because of what Julie put re looking at death certs. Well here goes. On Cyril George Dickin death cert he did on the 13.3.1981 at Rochford Hospital, Southend as George Cyril Dickins. Apparently he hated being called Cyril so he called himself George so perhaps when he was dying he said his name was George Cyril Dickins. Also on the death cert it states that he was born on the 5 October 1900 in Croydon, Surrey. Does this help anyone now pleeease.

Perhaps try another way possible for Arthurs death? Name: Arthur G Dickin Birth Date: abt 1850 Year of Registration: 1910 Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep Age at death: 60 District: Derby County: Derbyshire Volume: 7b Page: 290 1901: Arthur E Dickin abt 1876 Derbyshire, England Son Derby Derbyshire Arthur G Dickin abt 1851 Derbyshire, England Head Derby Derbyshire Charles H Dickin abt 1887 Derbyshire, England Son Derby Derbyshire Horace C Dickin abt 1883 Derbyshire, England Son Derby Derbyshire John W Dickin abt 1878 Derbyshire, England Son Derby Derbyshire Mary Dickin abt 1854 Derbyshire, England Wife Derby Derbyshire Mary Dickin abt 1880 Derbyshire, England Daughter Derby Derbyshire Walter E Dickin abt 1890 Derbyshire, England Son Derby Derbyshire Shop keeper so obviously not a traveller - Not him! Only birth for an Arthur George Dickin between 1850-1885 with exact spelling) Births Sep 1873 Dickin Arthur George St. Asaph 11b 345 (Denbighshire/Flintshire) 1881: Arthur G. Dickin abt 1874 Llanfair, Denbighshire, Wales Son Stansty Denbighshire Edward L. Dickin abt 1871 Chirk, Denbighshire, Wales Son Stansty Denbighshire John Dickin abt 1845 Chirk, Denbighshire, Wales Head Stansty Denbighshire John R. Dickin abt 1878 Gwersyllt, Denbighshire, Wales Son Stansty Denbighshire Julia A. Dickin abt 1869 Chirk, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Stansty Denbighshire Margaret S. Dickin abt 1875 Llanfair, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Stansty Denbighshire Sarah Dickin abt 1848 Chirk, Denbighshire, Wales Wife Stansty Denbighshire Sarah J. Dickin abt 1880 Holt, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Stansty Denbighshire William H. Dickin abt 1873 Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales Son Stansty Denbighshire Edwards middle name is Llewelyn!!! although not uncommon in wales) 1891: Arthur George Dickin abt 1874 Abergele, Denbighshire, Wales Boarder Ruabon Denbighshire Daniel Frederick Sharman abt 1865 Pen Y Cae Ruabon, Denbighshire, Wales Head Ruabon Denbighshire Julia Ann Sharman abt 1868 Chirk, Denbighshire, Wales Wife Ruabon Denbighshire should read brother in law. only marriage with exact spelling for Arthur: Marriages Mar 1893 Dickin Arthur George Chester 8a 605 Pruett Doreathea Chester 8a 605 Shone Arabella Chester 8a 605 Shone John Chester 8a 605 1901: Cant see Arthur anywhere but his brothers gone to London: Albert E Dickins abt 1898 Twickenham, Middlesex, England Son Twickenham Middlesex Helen E Dickins abt 1896 Dulwich, London, England Daughter Twickenham Middlesex John H L Dickins abt 1899 Twickenham, Middlesex, England Son Twickenham Middlesex Mary Dickins abt 1882 Rolosden, Wales Sister Twickenham Middlesex Monica H Dickins abt 1872 Stamford, Lincolnshire, England Wife Twickenham Middlesex William H Dickins abt 1872 Abergele, Wales Head Twickenham Middlesex William L Dickins abt 1894 Altrincham, Cheshire, England Son Twickenham Middlesex Helen Hobbins abt 1838 Stamford, Lincolnshire, England Mother-in-law Twickenham Middlesex John L Hobbins abt 1836 Stamford, Lincolnshire, England Father-in-law Twickenham Middlesex (says Dickins on imgae but definately him as Ive checked marriage - just goes to show name doesnt have to be exact) going back a bit further: 1871: Ann Dicken abt 1821 Denbighshire, Wales Housekeeper Ruabon Denbighshire Eleanor Dicken abt 1867 Chirk, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Ruabon Denbighshire John Dicken abt 1844 Chirk, Denbighshire, Wales Head Ruabon Denbighshire Julia Dicken abt 1868 Llangollen, Denbighshire, Wales Daughter Ruabon Denbighshire Llweylan Dicken abt 1870 Chirk, Denbighshire, Wales Son Ruabon Denbighshire Sarah Dicken abt 1847 Chirk, Denbighshire, Wales Wife Ruabon Denbighshire

I take it this is Beatrices death? How long before her did Cyril die? Name: Beatrice Jane Dickin Death Year: [1991] Age: 88 Birth Date: 6 Nov 1902 Death Registration Month/Year: Oct 1991 Registration District: Colchester Inferred County: Essex Inferred Country: England

hiya, sorry to appear dense, but have either cyril, leslie, or beatrice passed on?? does the death certs (if you have any) shed any more light on the problem? it just struck me as another way to search regards Julie

Julie, thanks for looking. We do have this info though.

hiya I guess you probably have this info Name: Beatrice Jane Davie Year of Registration: 1902 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Holborn County: London, Middlesex Volume: 1b Page: 644 (click to see others on page) regards Julie

Thanks Suzanne. He is a real myster isn't he. I wonder if he was a gypsie as on his marriage cert it stated that his father (deceased) had been a traveller. Appreciate your help.

Had another go at trying to find birth... not much luck. Name: Cyril George Dakin Year of Registration: 1902 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Derby County: Derbyshire Volume: 7b Page: 589 or this one already found: Name: Cyril George Dickens Year of Registration: 1901 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Northampton (1837-1924) County: Northamptonshire Volume: 3b Page: 86