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Alison - I had another go this morning for the marriage but still no joy. It doesn't help that her place of birth varies according to which census you look at. None of the marriages (which are complete) on the durham gov or newcastle gov sites have a cockburn marrying an oliver. I can't see Jane on 1901, but can on 1891 so presume she died between the two. Her death is possibly Name: Jane Cockburn Birth Date: abt 1820 Year of Registration: 1892 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at death: 72 District: Chester Le Street County: Co. Durham Volume: 10a Page: 292 Jools

Thanks very much Jools. I will try again tomorrow by looking for Janes death! regards Ali x

Alison - my determination has not been successful so far. I've looked at every John COCKBURN marriage between JFM 1860 and OND 1866 in the north east and as far as I can see not one of them has a corresponding entry for a Jane OLIVER. Very sorry - either I was right in my first suggestion that they didn't marry, or Heather is right that they married a lot later. If nothing else, you have now ruled out 1856 to 1866 for their marriage. Jools

Though I have to say Jools, at the end of the blah blahing on my GGF cert mum told a porkie - she didnt marry dad til 17 years later!

LOL No worries - It's got me to the stage where I'm determined to see if I can solve this one :))

Jools Can I just say that this is really appreciated cos I think I'm putting you to a lot of trouble! Ali x

Ta. Jools

Yes Jools thats what it says Ali x

OK - got that. Does certificate say (going from left to right) child's name James, blah, father John Cockburn, mother Jane formerly Oliver blah blah

Jools Just been reading g grandads birth cert again and he was registered Cockburn. Does this mean his parents were married?and it was in Leybourne Hold,Birtley, Chester-Le-Street May 1867 Ali x

Alison - bear with me please. I'm doing some lateral thinking (dangerous I know lol). that BC you have for James - was he born AMJ 1867 chester le street area or jfm 1868 tynemouth area?? If you aren't sure which area, just post date of birth and I'll work from that.

Awww Jools what will I do now? How do I verify which john is mine? Ali x

Alison - I can't see any marriage for a John Cockburn to a Jane on durhamrecords. I'm wondering if either they didn't marry or the children were born as Oliver not cockburn

Jools....if you look at a birth cert you will see that the mothers maiden name is shown. Linda

Hi Jools John is my g g grandad I have my g grandads birth cert (james) and they are the parents. Ali x p s thats how I know that Leyburn was misinterpreted for Leybourne Hold Birtley!

Alison - I'm no expert (but am often a drip under pressure !!!) Question for you - how do you know that Jane was called Oliver before she married??

Just trying to keep up with the experts and becoming very confused!!! Ali x

1851 ho107/2393/255/74 John Anderson abt 1801 Fatfield, Durham, England Head Houghton le Spring Durham Mary Anderson abt 1809 Biddick, Durham, England Wife Houghton le Spring Durham >>>John Cockburn abt 1821 Janone, Durham, England Lodger Houghton le Spring Durham Coal miner >>>Mary A Cockburn abt 1848 Donnsland, Durham, England Lodger Houghton le Spring Durham >>>William Cockburn abt 1840 N Lodger Houghton le Spring Durham John Kelly abt 1826 Ireland Lodger Houghton le Spring Durham Sarah Rutter abt 1834 Shieldrow, Durham, England Servant Houghton le Spring John says he's single, yet it seems odd there are 2 Cockburn children in the household

John in 1861 - he was born Jarrow!! rg9/3742/34/30 >>>John Cockburn abt 1821 Jarrow, Durham, England Lodger Durham St Giles Durham Elizabeth Hewson abt 1811 Cramlington, Northumberland, England Head Durham St Giles Durham George Hewson abt 1843 West Moor, Northumberland, England Son Durham St Giles Durham Robert Hewson abt 1848 West Moor, Northumberland, England Son Durham St Giles

would like to have spotted them in 1861 but cant