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have now deleted message for look up on pennys site

yes i will thankyou i did not realise i had to delete on pennys thread sorry yes this is ediths death 1968 that is for certain thankyou i have asked my family if polly lizzie emily thomas could be cousins as im having the same trouble finding them as a whole family that is the reason i asked for help

Natalie- you still need to alter the dates that you have put on Penelopes thread. Would hate to think that Penelope will be wasting her time looking for Emily and Edith in the 1960´s !! Let us all know when you get the marriage certificate and we will see what else we can find out for you.

makes her born 1893, but we are still none the wiser as to her fathers name ** the one born 1893 Bradford doesnt have the right siblings on 1901 census, see below Annie Waterhouse abt 1891 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Daughter Bradford Yorkshire Edith Waterhouse abt 1893 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Daughter Bradford Yorkshire James Wm Waterhouse abt 1862 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Head Bradford Yorkshire Sarah A Waterhouse abt 1860 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Wife Bradford Yorkshire same family 1891 Annie Waterhouse abt 1891 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Daughter Manningham Yorkshire James Wm Waterhouse abt 1862 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Head Manningham Yorkshire Sarah Jane Waterhouse abt 1859 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Wife Manningham Yorkshire and edith was supposed to be a yonger one, with older siblings anyway/....

Death: Edith Gillibrand Sept 1968 aged 75 Hyde, Manchester 10a, 290 Natalie, is THIS your Edith that you have been referring to ? b c 1893 You NEED the marriage cert to establish her Fathers name and occupation. There are TOO many Edith Waterhouses born within a 12 mth period to know which one belongs to you. Her age at death COULD be wrong anyway.

In Natalies defence she did post on Pen's thread before she asked openly for the help. Perhaps she should then have gone back and deleted the request on Pen's thread (she is obviously learning) We all (I do so hope) live and learn. Suzanne (No offence meant X)

so alter it on pennys thread~ although if we cant see her, i cant see why Penny should be able to , she only suggest the same us us. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ for her marriage cert 8a 1327 reg manchester Sept Qtr 1927 edith waterhouse /Gillibrand the cert will tell you her age, her fathers name and occupation, and where she was living when she married. you can send for it on line at www(.)1837(.) co (.) uk ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

sorry that was my fault it was not 1960 they was born between 1885 and 1890 i will take your advice

so what is the correct info? born early 1900's or 1960's??~ its a bit of a difference. What isnt an assumption , its clear from what you post, that your really are confused about what you are doing. we offer advice and guidance and you dont seem to want to take it. Why is that?

no honestly i would not do that and you shouldnt assume that of somebody i had different info from my mum and my aunt i was not having a laugh at anybodys expense

thanks for that Jess - have you pm´d Pen - so she can view this thread before she starts looking for info!! Note also that the dates of birth for Emily and Edith have changed to 1962 & 1963 !!!

Elaine; i think Natalie is having a laugh here, at our expense. I just popped onto Pens thread ..... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ Added by Natalie McCaffery on 06/03/2006 06:09:11 hi thanks for the offer can you look up edith waterhouse born 1963 in manchester also emily waterhouse born 1962 in manchester they are sisters im trying to find the rest of their family thanks ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ I'm going to leave it

Natalie - we are all saying the same thing - you need to get the marriage certificate

even more reason to order the marriage cert then i f they moved about you guess! order i and see if the fathers name matches with the marriage cert Waterhouse, Edith 1892 December Births Bradford West Riding of Yorkshire Waterhouse, Edith 1895 June Births Bradford West Riding of Yorkshire zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Edith Waterhouse abt 1893 Bradford, Yorkshire, England Daughter Bradford Yorkshire ( < No, doesnt have the right siblings that you name) Edith Waterhouse abt 1894 Scholes; Cleckheaton, Yorkshire, England Daughter Cleckheaton Yorkshire Edith Waterhouse abt 1894 Howden, Yorkshire, England Daughter Howden Yorkshire Edith Waterhouse abt 1892 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter Leeds Yorkshire Edith Waterhouse abt 1897 Pudsey, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter Pudsey Yorkshire Edith Waterhouse abt 1899 Sowerby Bridge, Yorkshire, England Daughter Sowerby Bridge Yorkshire Edith A Waterhouse abt 1894 Leeds, Yorkshire, England Daughter Headingley cum Burley Yorkshire Edith A Waterhouse abt 1894 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Daughter Heeley Yorkshire Edith K Waterhouse abt 1897 Sheffield, Yorkshire, England Granddaughter Ecclesall Bierlow Yorkshire Edith V Waterhouse abt 1896 Keighley, Yorkshire, England Daughter Keighley Yorkshire

i have just found out from my mother that they did not live in manchester until later years they are actually from bradford yorkshire

Natalie perhaps you dont know? You can order certificates online at the following web site: http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/index.asp Jess has given you reference details in order for you to order it. Suzanne

natalie has just sent me a message- misunderstanding the message i left i guess Do i have further info? No i dont. i gave you what you needed last night - the marriage ref - You need that cert to procede, (with all due respect, your aunt wasnt there so may not know for sure). Therer is no birth ref for that date/location~ so she cannot be right

BUT the family we have found in 1901 does not show Edith born 1893 - this is why it is so important to get her marriage certificate which will give the father´s name and occupation. Without that I don´t think we can move any further forward with accuracy

following on from the 1891 census - could very well be this family in 1901 mistranscribed Albert Waterbroun abt 1894 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son North Manchester Lancashire Elizabeth Waterbroun abt 1888 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter North Manchester Lancashire Emily Waterbroun abt 1897 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter North Manchester Lancashire Henry Waterbroun abt 1891 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son North Manchester Lancashire Margeret Waterbroun abt 1864 Manchester, Lancashire, England Wife North Manchester Lancashire Mary Waterbroun abt 1884 Manchester, Lancashire, England Daughter North Manchester Lancashire William Waterbroun abt 1859 Manchester, Lancashire, England Head North Manchester Lancashire William Waterbroun abt 1886 Manchester, Lancashire, England Son North Manchester Lancashire address 25 Lewis Street, North Manchester Williams occupation maker of worsted Williams occupation on 1891 census - woolen yarn maker up

yes spoke to my aunt last night edith waterhouse born 1893