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I received an English marriage certicate recently and it didn't have mothers names on it. In Scotland both sets of parets are on the marriage certificate. I will now have to send for an English birth cetificate for this person, will I get any parents names on it, if so will it be both sets of parents??. Betty

A Birth cert should give you the full name of both parents Are you talking before 1901for the birth............If so with the details from the marriage cert you might be able to find them on a census for possible maothers name. Esta

No the English marriage certs dont give all the info that Scottish BMD's do, shame I wish they did. Was the birth before 1901? maybe we could help?

Hi Esta and Carrie, The birth was in 1884 Thomas Collins Ref District Lanchester 10a Page ref 354. Oct-Nov-Dec. I need the mother and father names to confirm this is the correct family. Betty

Details from Marriage cert needed please What is his fathers name and occupation? Is his date of birth a guess from the marriage cert or do you know he was actually born then ? date / place of marriage

Birth certs have both parents names, unless child is illegitimate, in which case it generally just has mother. Marriage certs have both bride and grooms' fathers only. For more info about what is on English certs - and what it means - see this invaluable website: http://home.clara.net/dixons/Certificates/indexbd.htm

Hi Esta, I looked up the birth recently an marriage certificate say the father is who i thought it was but i need the mothers name, hoping it is Mary A Collins. Betty

Have you got an area in Lanc's?

...........and the fathers name / ocupation is............!!

Hi again Esta, Sorry fathers name is also Thomas Collins born 1841? was a Steel Worker. father was irish, mother Mary A was Scottish. Betty They lived in Blackhill Durham.

Last question .......date of marriage ?

Loads Thomas's with Thomas as father too, have you any other kids names to go on? or know where parents were born/age?

GOT HIM..............

Hi Everyone, Sorry trying to go as fast as i can. Marriage in 1915 Thomas Collins and Annie Erly 6th november in Lanchester County Durham church in Blackhill. Birth was in lanchester re above message. Betty

1891 Bridget Collins abt 1875 Blackhill, Durham, England Daughter Benfieldside Durham Catherine Collins abt 1877 Blackhill, Durham, England Daughter Benfieldside Durham Elizabeth Collins abt 1881 Blackhill, Durham, England Daughter Benfieldside Durham Margaret Collins abt 1879 Blackhill, Durham, England Daughter Benfieldside Durham Mary A Collins abt 1852 Scotland Wife Benfieldside Durham Mary A Collins abt 1873 Blackhill, Durham, England Daughter Benfieldside Durham Micheal Collins abt 1887 Blackhill, Durham, England Son Benfieldside Durham Patrick Collins abt 1890 Blackhill, Durham, England Son Benfieldside Durham Peter Collins abt 1869 Blackhill, Durham, England Son Benfieldside Durham Philip Collins abt 1871 Blackhill, Durham, England Son Benfieldside Durham ***Thomas Collins abt 1841 Ireland Head Benfieldside Durham *** Thomas Collins abt 1885 Blackhill, Durham, England Son Benfieldside Durham Thomas ( head ) occupation is Ironwork lab. I have to go now for a bit ...............perhaps someone can find him on 1901 for you Betty Esta x ** Don't worry about going fast Betty ....... it just nice that you stuck around to answer questions when they were asked....Alot of peole just ask and then disappear......Which is no help to them or those trying to help **

Hi Esta, Yes thats the family ok Thomas father , mother Mary A Collins and all the family. The problem is is this the same Thomas Collins that married Annie Erly in 1915, No Parents names on Marriage ceriticate except for fathers.. Betty

Marriages Dec 1866 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Collins Thomas Durham 10a 486 DUFFY Mary A Durham 10a 486

Well............ Carrie, That my Thomas's parents marriage, so glad you found that, that was my next step. Thats just greattttttttttttttttttttt. Betty

Oop's forgot the 1901 View Record Margaret Collins abt 1882 Blackhill, Durham, England Daughter Benfieldside Durham View Record Mary A Collins abt 1858 Scotland Wife Benfieldside Durham View Record Michael Collins abt 1888 Blackhill, Durham, England Son Benfieldside Durham View Record Patrick Collins abt 1891 Blackhill, Durham, England Son Benfieldside Durham View Record Peter Collins abt 1872 Blackhill, Durham, England Son Benfieldside Durham View Record Phillip Collins abt 1874 Blackhill, Durham, England Son Benfieldside Durham View Record Teresa Collins abt 1893 Blackhill, Durham, England Daughter Benfieldside Durham View Record Thomas Collins abt 1844 Ireland Head Benfieldside Durham View Record Thomas Collins abt 1885 Blackhill, Durham, England Son Benfieldside Durham Glad we could help:)

Hi Everyone, many thanks:- Esta Carrie Helen and Wendy thats great to have all that info and the parents marriage really help, thanks to all for their help. Betty