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Lesley I have his family in 1891, no Thomas and his father is calling himself Thomas. If I am wrong please let me know. Andrews, Albert abt 1879 Camden, London, England Son St Pancras London Andrews, Alice abt 1888 Camden, London, England Daughter St Pancras London Andrews, Edmund abt 1877 Camden, London, England Son St Pancras London Andrews, George abt 1882 Camden, London, England Son St Pancras London Andrews, John abt 1887 Camden, London, England Son St Pancras London Andrews, Lilian abt 1890 Camden, London, England Daughter St Pancras London Andrews, Maude abt 1885 Camden, London, England Daughter St Pancras London Andrews, May abt 1852 Hatfield, Hertfordshire, England Wife St Pancras London Andrews, Thomas abt 1852 Camden, London, England Head St Pancras London Source information: RG12/118 Registration district: Pancras Sub registration district: Regent ED, institution, or vessel: 21 Folio: 62 Page: 28 (click to see others on page) GSU Number: 6095228 They have all changed their place of birth and Thomas is a Coal Porter. Georgina.

Hi Lesley, it looks like my 1891 is wrong then, have you found Thomas or his family in 1891. If you have can you post the most likely one so I dont lose track again. Georgina.

thanks georgina, i havent come across the clavering one before.??nor the name faire, have been in and out of them for years now, the following one with edward looks good thats the one i was thinking,nothing definate,to prove it yet, if we go with durnford terrace,i need to find births marrifge certs,will be sending off for whatever lead i can get here,have to i got to find an end to this,would need to find right birth cert for thomas 71,does this all make more sence, we must be doing something right as you lesley and me all think this one now, thanks georgina and lesley,hope to see you back here sunday,kimxx

Sorry Kay I got heldup. 1901 census... Louise Andrew abt 1880 St Pancras, London, England Wife St Pancras London Maud Andrew abt 1899 St Pancras, London, England Daughter St Pancras London Thomas Andrew abt 1871 St Pancras, London, England Head St Pancras London Thomas Andrew abt 1894 St Pancras, London, England Son St Pancras London Charles Shannon abt 1891 St Pancras, London, England Stepson St Pancras London 1891 census... Andrews, Thomas abt 1870 Clavering, Essex, England Boarder St Pancras London This Thomas is a boarder with the Faire family in St.Pancras. He is a Coal Porter (lots of daughters maybe one of these was his first wife) 1881 census... Chas.T. Andrews abt 1853 London, London, Middlesex, England Head 22 Durnford Tce, St Pancras, London, England Edward Andrews abt 1878 Middlesex, England Son 22 Durnford Tce, St Pancras, London, England Mary A. Andrews abt 1853 Middlesex, England Wife 22 Durnford Tce, St Pancras, London, England Thos. Andrews abt 1871 Middlesex, England Son 22 Durnford Tce, St Pancras, London, England What do you think.... Georgina.

hahha, thanks georgina ,hard to believ your still only on the tea after you have been through this lot,will be here and am mailing you private to

Kim I have taken a step back, a strong cup of tea and re-read the info already found and I think Lesley is right about the Andrews family she found. Give me 5 mins and I will post who I think they are. Georgina.

definatley georgina, good to see you back,you have now got to be that confused,you dont even know why your looking at this thread,i can tie in the shennans, and the weydas,its them andrews that wont come out, thanks for coming back,theres no rush georgina i have been here few years,husbands having me committed in the bear future

Back again.... I think this is Robert's Marriage.. Marriages Dec 1879 CHAMBERS Elizabeth Catherine Pancras 1b 269 Reed Thomas George Pancras 1b 269 Shennan Robert Pancras 1b 269 Weyda Eliza Pancras 1b 269 Georgina.

morning .lesley,georgina, really sorry i have done you in georgina, and even more sorry i have driven you to drink lesley,the follwing info i gave about john 1941 and thomas 1917, were following generations,in one way im so glad it has done you in here,thought i was getting past hunting and needed to be locked up,thanks for your input georgina, hoping i havent lost leslie yet,but wouldnt blame you if you left,your right on the info bout shennons , they do get transcribed as many names shennan,shennon sherman sharman, i have there line,and yes your on right track with them

To be honest Lesley I have lost the plot and the will to Live. I think I will leave this one in your capable hands as I think I am just making things more complicated. Good luck. Georgina.

i will make it worse now by telling you that THOMAS AND LOUISA,9 children that i know of,hahha there names are maud louise jane andrews, freddy (frederick) andrews, john charles andrews, tommy (thomas) andrews charlie (charles) robert andrews ivy andrews maise andrews queenie andrews lennard andrews do you think they liked to repeat there names just to confuse things

ok here goes, now i am going to do you in, lol, JOHN THOMAS ANDREWS, BORN 5/10/1941,coal porter,my grandfather,son of LOUISA JANE SHENNON,BORN 1880.and THOMAS CHARLES ANDREWS(coal porter) on marridge cert, THOMAS CHARLES ANDREWS aged 26, LOUISE JANE SHENNON,aged 21, marridge date was JANUARY 7 1900 THOMAS father was CHARLES ANDREWS(coal porter) LOUISA father was ROBERT SHENNON(carpenter& joiner) WITNESS were CHARLES MARTIN( dont know) CHARLOTTE WEYDA(louisa's aunt) also thomas charles cannot write,(mark of)address given then as 2 EASTMOOR PLACE SOMERS TOWN ST PANCRAS marridge took place CHRIST CHURCH, SOMERS TOWN JOHN THOMAS born 5.10.1917, father THOMAS CHARLES ANDREWS mother LOUISA JANE ANDREWS(the a has been crossed out replaced with an e,making her louise)then says formerly ANDREWS,??it also has (16) by the side of her name and in brackets, fathers occupation is DRIVER FIELD ARTILLERY (COAL PORTER) mother was informant, living at 37 GOLDINGTON STREET ST,PANCRAS, there is also a side note with word sixteen wrote on it, and signed by registrar, think this covers all info,have i made it easier for you or not,i need to tie, thomas charles to his father , hope this hasnt made it any worse for you,lmao

hi lesley,georgina, sorry just in now , couldnt wait to get here to see how confused this has got,how many boxes of headache tabs have you gone through, sorry laughing now,i was confused here before but after trying to read this thread now im more confused, will add to this in moment and tell you all i have on this family, and thanks guys for being so patient and for risking going mad lmao lesley i have thomas charles connected to louisa by marridge cert,, hmm i think thomas charles to rose is red herring.(sorry lead you a stray there )i was wrong dates do tie in in 1881, quite possible i am mixing 2 families, here but dont know how or which ones,the transcription of shennon to shannon in 1901 is wrong as you can see and it is my lot there,

Lesley this is the info from the 1891 census I found.... Andrews, Ernest abt 1881 St Pancras, London, England St Pancras London Andrews, Frances abt 1848 St Pancras, London, England Wife St Pancras London Andrews, John abt 1871 St Pancras, London, England Son St Pancras London Andrews, Mary abt 1877 St Pancras, London, England St Pancras London Andrews, Thomas abt 1846 St Pancras, London, England Head St Pancras London Andrews, Thomas abt 1869 St Pancras, London, England Son St Pancras London Georgina.

Lesley on the 1891 census the family I found for Thomas born about 1871 St Pancras his parents were down as Thomas Andrews and Frances so that is the marriage I found. I thought maybe this Elder Thomas was Charles Thomas Andrews but as you see on the marriage reference it is just Thomas. Georgina.

Hi Kim, sorry I have been out myself all day. I think that Thomas's father must have called himself Thomas instead of Charles on the Census's, because then the dates add up. I think your best bet would be to find Thomas's birth and see if his mother is Frances? I have just found the marriage for Thomas Andrews & Frances Issitt, so unless Thomas's father dropped the Charles from his name it isnt him (damn) all the dates fit. Marriages Mar 1868 Andrews Thomas Pancras 1b 86 Issitt Frances Pancras 1b 86 Johnson Sarah Pancras 1b 86 Keegan William Pancras 1b 86 Georgina.

might this be one of yours as well? Births Sep 1911 Andrews Leonard W Shennan Pancras 1b 20

Wounder if this could be young Maud from you 1901 family Births Mar 1899 Andrews Maud Louise J Pancras 1b 40 THOMAS? Births Mar 1894 Andrews Thomas Pancras 1b 111 Births Dec 1894 Andrews Thomas Pancras 1b 73 CHARLES? Births Jun 1891 Shennan Charles John Pancras 1b 54 There are others in other districts of the same names and ages but these are all freeBMD have in Pancras/St Pancras

150% certain thomas and louisa are right,thats the hard bit the age thing georgina,his father was charles thomas,thomas was thomas charles,hence headache,both were coal porters and yes i have marridge cert can send you copy if you give me email then you can see what im going from,sorry for headache georgina,as i said i will be in and out of here all day but will be here later tonight again, sorry doing shifts at mo, thanks for help here,

Kim on earlier census's the only Thomas Andrew/Andrews born in St Pancras around 1871 has a father named Thomas? How sure are you that it is your Thomas Andrew who married Louisa Shennon, why I ask is because if they didn't marry till 1900 on the 1901 census they have 2 children Thomas age 7 and Maud age 2, Thomas at least cannot belong to Louisa (she is only 21 in 1901) which means Thomas must have had a previous marriage. Have you got the marriage certificate for this Thomas & Louisa? If you have does it say what Thomas's father did for a living? This family is so confusing, If Thomas married in 1900 and he was 26 that would make his birth about 1874 not 1871, so he either lied on his marriage certificate or on the 1901 census. Georgina.