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1881c also gives Mddx as place of birth and calculates year of birth as 1843. Mddx birthplace looks fairly secure.

1837... 1843b's 7 Ellen Mills' (including St Lukes) but other six outside Mddx & London. The elusive Purple Pumpernickel!

Many thanks Jude. I'm starting to wonder if the St Lukes one is actually mine. But why would she be single and with her family in 1861 if she's married and with her husband as well? Her father is a Capenter though, and mine said hers was a Labourer in 1860.

1837on... 1844b's ten, yes ten Ellen Mills', ALL outside Mddx & London. I notice that two out of yr four censuses calculate 1841 as year of birth. We have eliminated 1842 - 1844 on 1837on... so the 1841 Whitechapel one really is looking like the best bet as previously suggested by Elaine. best wishes with this one!

I think I'll order it - stuff the budget lol Fingers crossed :) Ok... now the wait... oh I hope it's her.

Babe, I've scoured 1851 ........ every Ellen born 1840-1845 (middlesex) and every Ellen born Sheffield 1843-45. Every John Mills and every Mills in Middlesex .... none have a daughter Ellen (Can't find the one found earlier !!!! ) It is possible I suppose that the parents were expecting Ellen to be with them the night of the census and she didn't turn up .... but they SHOULD have her down as married even then ? .... so if it were my family I really would give that family a miss. Could they have been in Wales or Scotland by any chance ? ... any things possible I suppose. Make sure you use John as a checking reference ... if its NOT correct, then at least they give you £3 back. Good Luck Tracy, I've crossed my toes, feet, legs, fingers, arms and eye's for you !... in respect of the Whitechaple one. Elaine :-) ... who now has a phobia about 1851 census's !!!

I just checked Wales - didn't think of that - couldn't see her as Mil* anything. Also tried Isle of Man and Channel Isles. I put John on the request, so if it's not her, at least I'll know soon. Thanks for all you've done for me Elaine :)

Just trying to repay a fraction of your help Tracy. :-))))

I have re-checked all the informationand in 1851 I can still only find the same:- HERE'S THE 1851 Match Quality View Record Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Harss Ann Liphd abt 1833 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Visitor St Luke Old Street Middlesex Albert Mills abt 1846 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex Ellen Mills abt 1816 Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England Wife St Luke Old Street Middlesex Ellen Mills abt 1844 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Daughter St Luke Old Street Middlesex George Mills abt 1849 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex Henry Mills abt 1840 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex John Mills abt 1816 Hailsworth, Suffolk, England Head St Luke Old Street Middlesex John Mills abt 1838 City St Botolph Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex Thomas Mills abt 1848 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex Waller Mills abt 1850 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Son St Luke Old Street Middlesex Here are the other 1951 Ellen Mills born Middlesex - none of them with John Mills as father Ellen Mills abt 1844 Shoreditch, Middlesex, England Daughter Shoreditch Middlesex Ellen Mills abt 1844 St Lukes, Middlesex, England Daughter St Luke Old Street Middlesex Ellen Mills abt 1840 St Pancras, Middlesex, England Daughter St Pancras Middlesex Ellen Mills abt 1847 Westr, Middlesex, England Lodger Southwark St George Surrey Here is the same family in 1861 Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Image Albert Mills abt 1846 St Lukes, London, England Son Lambeth St Mary Surrey Charles Mills abt 1855 Lambeth, London, England Son Lambeth St Mary Surrey Ellen Mills abt 1816 Clerkenwell, London, England Wife Lambeth St Mary Surrey Ellen Mills abt 1844 St Lukes, London, England Daughter Lambeth St Mary Surrey Emma Mills abt 1860 Lambeth, London, England Daughter Lambeth St Mary Surrey Henry Mills abt 1840 St Lukes, London, England Son Lambeth St Mary Surrey Jane Mills abt 1853 St Lukes, London, England Daughter Lambeth St Mary Surrey John Mills abt 1816 Halesworth, Suffolk, England Head Lambeth St Mary Surrey Maria Mills abt 1858 Lambeth, London, England Daughter Lambeth St Mary Surrey Thomas Mills abt 1848 St Lukes, London, England Son Lambeth St Mary Surrey And just to top it all I can's find the marriage in 1860 Sheffield LOL I am having the same problem with 'William & Mary Jones' on the Wales Census' it really gets to you! I hope you are lucky I have sent for 3 certs now (all cross checked so got the £3 back) and haven't had a right one yet :-( Good Luck Yvonne

Thanks Yvonne. I'll just have to wait till I hear from the GRO. I don't think the marriage has been transcribed yet, but they married on 2 Jan 1860.

Nudged for Nell ....