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Scottish 1881 census /1851 Lanarkshire Index....Lo

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Gordon

Gordon Report 20 Mar 2005 19:40

Hello Michelle, Wonder if I could trouble you for the Walker family in Ayton, Berwickshire, father Robert, mother Isabella, and among the family a daughter Isabella aged 20. Very much obliged, Gordon ps - should have said 1881 of course - dooooooohhhh!!! :)

Michelle

Michelle Report 20 Mar 2005 19:56

Johnathon and Gordon Visitors have just turned up!! But I have seen your requests and will get back to you later on tonight. Cheers Michelle

Michelle

Michelle Report 20 Mar 2005 23:06

Gordon I thin this may be Isabella as a Widow - Dwelling: Ayton Law Farm No 10 Cottage Census Place: Ayton, Berwick, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0224029 GRO Ref Volume 727 EnumDist 1 Page 23 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Isabella WALKER W 57 F Lauder, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Housekeeper John WALKER U 30 M Ayton, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Groom Robert WALKER U 26 M Ayton, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Farm Ser James WALKER U 25 M Ayton, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Farm Ser Isabella WALKER U 19 F Ayton, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Farm Ser Thomas WALKER U 15 M Ayton, Berwick, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Farm Ser cheers Michelle

Michelle

Michelle Report 20 Mar 2005 23:11

Johnathan Hi Nothing coming up on the Scottish discs for him - infact on my discs for the whole of the British 1881 census covering England, Scotland Wales, Channel Isles, Isle of Man and Royal Navy, there is only one George Brunskill listed - Dwelling: 30 Telford St Census Place: Barrow In Furness, Lancashire, England Source: FHL Film 1342025 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4292 Folio 13 Page 26 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George BRUNSKILL M 31 M Keswick, Cumberland, England Rel: Head Occ: Railway Guard Elizabeth BRUNSKILL M 39 F Penny Bridge, Lancashire, England Rel: Wife Ada BRUNSKILL U 4 F Barrow, Lancashire, England Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William BRUNSKILL U 2 M Barrow, Lancashire, England Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Sorry can't be of much use! Cheers Michelle

Gordon

Gordon Report 20 Mar 2005 23:18

Michelle, That is indeed her - thank you very much for your time and trouble. Very best wishes Gordon

John

John Report 21 Mar 2005 20:53

hi Michelle thanks for the offer of lookups, trying to find George Smith+ Christina Smith (nee Fulton) who i think came from Barony, Lanark and thats all the info i have on them at the momment. regards John M Smith

Michelle

Michelle Report 21 Mar 2005 21:45

John Hi - Are you able to tell me roughly what age either of them would be say in the 1881 ? Cheers Michelle

Michelle

Michelle Report 21 Mar 2005 21:50

Mark Hi - I don't have the images to check only the transcriptions. Dwelling: Burnbray 9 Census Place: Tarbolton, Ayr, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203610 GRO Ref Volume 619 EnumDist 6 Page 15 Marr Age Sex Birthplace William GILFILLAN M 43 M East Muir, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Coalminer Jane GILFILLAN M 44 F Tarbolton, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Wife Of Coalminer William GILFILLAN U 20 M Crosshouse, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Coalminer Janet GILFILLAN 12 F Bogside, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Robert GILFILLAN 10 M Tarbolton, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar James GILFILLAN 8 M Gatehead, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Son Of Coalminer William HUNTER (GILFILLAN) 3 M Tarbolton, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Step Son Occ: Son Of Coalminer Hunter GILFILLAN 1 M Tarbolton, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Son Of Coalminer Be Lucky!!! Cheers Michelle

Mark

Mark Report 21 Mar 2005 22:02

Cheers Michelle We got there in the end. Thanks again Mark

Michelle

Michelle Report 21 Mar 2005 23:35

Marie Hi Dwelling: Buchanan St Census Place: Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203699 GRO Ref Volume 652-2 EnumDist 5 Page 30 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James MORRIS M 30 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Railway Lab Alice Dolan MORRIS M 23 F Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife James MORRIS 3 M Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Margaret MORRIS 1 F Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Patrick MORRIS 1 m M Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Catherine DOLAN U 20 F Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Visitor Occ: Laundress John DEEGNAN M 33 M Ireland Rel: Lodger Occ: Labourer Iron Works James LAWLER M 40 M Ireland Rel: Lodger Occ: Blacksmith Looking at Alice on the 1881 census above I see that she was born in Coatbridge and they have a visitor Catherine born in Coatbridge as well ( I would guess that this maybe Alice's sister) Also their first born son was called James (probably after his paternal grandfather or father - the second son was called Patrick (it usually follows that the second son would be called after either the father or as in this case maybe, the paternal grandfather was called James as well, therefore 2nd son would be called after the maternal granfather, therefore Alic's father could be called Patrick. (sorry its a long winded explanation but I have found this pattern of naming over and over again and can help sometimes!!) Located in the parish of Old Monkland, Coatbridge was a sleepy collection of villages until the late eighteenth century. Then, with the discovery of ironstone, the building of the Monkland Canal and the increased mining of coal, the sleepy villages grew together into the town of Coatbridge If Catherine is Alice's sister and both were born in Coatbridge it might follow that if they had any other siblings they too would be born in Coatbridge (my mind works in funny ways sometimes!!) So taking all that into consideration and as Alice was born in 1858c and therefore wouldn't be on the 1851 census index, I decided to see if I could find a possible set of parents on the 1881 in the area and came up with this one - Dwelling: No 20 Stone Row Census Place: Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203699 GRO Ref Volume 652-2 EnumDist 7 Page 27 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Patrick DOLAN M 60 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Licensed Hawker Small Goods Annie DOLAN M 58 F Ireland Rel: Wife Margaret DOLAN 14 F Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Annie DOLAN 8 F Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Michael DOLAN 6 M Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John KILROY W 55 M Ireland Rel: Boarder Occ: Iron Works Labourer Joanna KILROY 11 F Calder, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Daniel MARTIN U 20 M Ireland Rel: Boarder Occ: Masons Labourer I know its only guesswork but you never know!! There are 11 other Dolan's listed in the 1851 Index , 5 born in Old Monkland and 6 born in Ireland. They could be related although I can only give you the names, ages place of birth, parish they are living in and census refs. If you want the list let me know. Cheers Michelle

John

John Report 22 Mar 2005 13:55

hi again Michelle G Smith+ Christina Smith(nee Fulton) could be in the early to mid 50s, i think they got married in November 1849 regards John M Smith

Val

Val Report 22 Mar 2005 15:57

Just to let you know if you go on scotlandspeople you can get deaths up to 1954, births to 1904, marriage up to 1929 and the cencus is 1881,1891 and 1901 it is £6 for 30 credits charge 5 credits to look at the certificates and you can print them or save them

Norman

Norman Report 22 Mar 2005 19:27

Hi Michelle, Would you please check the 1881 census for John colburn and Margaret Nisbet Ross in Edinburgh. John Colburn was born 1869 Edinburgh and Margaret Ross was born 1868 Edinburgh. These were my great grandparents and i am hoping they would at that time be living with their respective parents,(John and Jane Colburn) and (John and Annie Ross). Any details you can find will be gratefully received. Many thanks Norman.

Mark

Mark Report 22 Mar 2005 21:50

Hi Michelle Can you do 1851 Census Lanarkshire Index for William GILFILLAN age abt 13 born abt 1838 East Muir, Lanark, Scotland. Thanks Mark

Michelle

Michelle Report 22 Mar 2005 22:56

John It is very difficult without a birthplace or exact age, but there are two possibles in the frame, lots of others but none with a George and Christina together - or there are Georges as widows but none in Barony/born Barony and the same for Christinas as widows. The first one is a Christina with a Thomas G Smith, which could be G for George and could mean that he used George instead of Thomas. The second is the only George of that age group Widowed but living in Barony. I think you would need to track down their marriage in 1849 from Scotlandspeople site to help you further or ask for a look up in New Register House in Edinburgh. Dwelling: 35 Carnarvon St Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203662 GRO Ref Volume 644-9 EnumDist 56 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas G. SMITH M 54 M Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Journalist Newspaper Christina SMITH M 53 F Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Housekeeper Christina W. SMITH U 24 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur James L. SMITH U 20 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Salesman (Wholesale Soft Gds) Robert M. SMITH U 16 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Clerk (Whsale Soft Goods) Thomas G. SMITH U 12 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Dwelling: 3 Windsor Street Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203664 GRO Ref Volume 644-9 EnumDist 93 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George SMITH W 48 M Duntocher, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Muslin Manufr James SMITH U 21 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Commercial Clerk Grain Mercht George SMITH U 17 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Commercial Clerk Linen Mercht William J. SMITH U 15 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Commercial Clerk Iron Broker Jessie SMITH 12 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Agnes JOHNSTON U 47 F Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Sis In Law Occ: Milliner Christina JOHNSTON U 40 F Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Sis In Law Occ: Housekeeper Dom Joanna JOHNSTON U 36 F Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Sis In Law Occ: Saleswoman Drapery Annie GOURLAY U 19 F Wishaw, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Gen Serv Dom cheers Michelle

Michelle

Michelle Report 22 Mar 2005 23:32

Joyce Sorry no Sarah on my discs except one aged 36 (a wife/husband Collin) My discs however don't cover the Glasgow parishes. I have listed all the Mckellar's that I found incase any are related and may be useful for future reference. Collin McKellar aged 38 born Arl Lochgilphead living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Page 22 No 5 Sarah McKellar aged 36 born Lesmahagow living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Page 22 No 6 Jane McKellar aged 13 born Lesmahagow living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Page 22 No 7 Flory McKellar aged 11 born Lesmahagow living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Pag e22 No 8 John McKellar aged 8 born Lesmahagow living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Page 22 No 9 Margaret McKellar aged 5 born Lesmahagow living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Page 22 No 10 William McKellar aged 3 born Lesmahagow living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Page 22 No 11 Mary McKellar aged 19 born Glasgow living in parish of Cambuslang Dist 4 Page 14 No 20 Patrick McKellar aged 26 born Ireland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 2 John McKellar aged 16 born Ireland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 3 Margaret McKellar aged 20 born Ireland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 4 Mary McKellar aged 14 born Ireland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 5 Robert McKellar aged 12 born Ireland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 6 Archibald McKellar aged 48 born Arl Bonawe living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 7 Helen McKellar aged 44 born Lks Glasgow living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 8 Janet McKellar aged 8 born Old Monkland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 9 Neil McKellar aged 5 born Old Monkland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 10 Helen McKellar aged 9 born Old Monkland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 11 Donald McKellar aged 36 born Arl Tobermory living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 40 Page 9 No 1 Martha McKellar aged 36 born Glasgow living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 40 Page 9 No 2 Mary McKellar aged 8 born Glasgow living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 40 Page 9 No 3 Hugh McKellar aged 2 born New Monkland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 40 Page 9 No 4 Catherind McKellar aged 22 born Glasgow living in parish of New Monkland Dist 33a Page 2 No 17 Duncan McKellar aged 30 born Arl Calinishail living in parish of Rutherglen/Carmichael Dist 16 Page 15 No 3 Margaret McKellar aged 28 born Old Monkland living in parish of Rutherglen/Carmichael Dist 16 Page 15 No 4 Marion McKellar aged 3 born Barony Glasgow living in parish of Rutherglen/Carmichael Dist 16 Page 15 No 5 Duncan McKellar aged 4 days born Rutherglen living in parish of Rutherglen/Carmichael Dist 16 Page 15 No 6 Cheers Michelle

Michelle

Michelle Report 22 Mar 2005 23:41

Val I can highly recommend scotlandspeople site, it is by far the best place to start your research in Scotland followed by visits to New Register House in Edinburgh but it can be very costly ( I think I must own shares in it by now!!) I just think that it would be nice if they allowed copies of their censuses to be put on discs for us lot to be able to purchase as we do with censuses in England. I have heard that S & N are negoitating for this to happen so we just have to be patient!! You can buy microfilm rolls for parish records from New Register House but at £45 per reel You have to be sure that it would be cost effective plus have access to a viewer ( These reels are for pros I think!! cheers Michelle

Michelle

Michelle Report 22 Mar 2005 23:51

Norman hi Dwelling: Gorgie Square Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0223989 GRO Ref Volume 685-1 EnumDist 2 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John COLBORN M 42 M Stonehaven, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Gardener Jane COLBORN M 47 F Closeburn, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Wife Isabella COLBORN U 18 F Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Gelatine Worker Margaret COLBORN U 17 F Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Gelatine Worker Jessie COLBORN 14 F Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Gelatine Worker Mary COLBORN 13 F Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur John COLBORN 12 M Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar This is a possibel for Margaret Ross, it shows John as married but could have been mistranscibed and he could have been a Widow. Dwelling: 11 Newton Street Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0223989 GRO Ref Volume 685-1 EnumDist 1 Page 32 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John ROSS M 37 M Corstorphine, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Mason James ROSS 14 M Edinburgh St Cuthberts Rel: Son Occ: Mason Margaret ROSS 13 F Edinburgh St Cuthberts Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John ROSS 11 M Edinburgh St Cuthberts Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Robert ROSS 8 M Edinburgh St Cuthberts Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Catherine ROSS 6 F Edinburgh St Cuthberts Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William ROSS 4 M Edinburgh St Cuthberts Rel: Son cheers Michelle

Michelle

Michelle Report 23 Mar 2005 00:11

Donna Hi Nothing coming up for with either John or Elizabeth. Nothing for Agnes at all. But there were these two possibles for Mary and Elizabeth who are both married. I put all the details into the search engine but left out their Surname Syme to see who would come up with their ages and born in Fowlis Wester and there were only these so def possibel!! Dwelling: 85 Main St Census Place: Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203513 GRO Ref Volume 387 EnumDist 36 Page 32 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James BALLANTYNE M 38 M Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Saddler Mary BALLANTYNE M 40 F Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland Rel: Wife James BALLANTYNE 14 M Redgorton, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Grocers Apprentice Robert BALLANTYNE 12 M Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Message Boy William BALLANTYNE 11 M Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Isabella BALLANTYNE 9 F Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Jane BALLANTYNE 7 F Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar George BALLANTYNE 5 M Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary BALLANTYNE 3 F Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Daur David BALLANTYNE 10 m M Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Minnia BALLANTYNE 6 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Niece Occ: Scholar David DRYSDALE U 25 M Tullibody, Clackmannan, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Saddler Dwelling: Bachilton Cotter House Census Place: Methven, Perth, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203509 GRO Ref Volume 380 EnumDist 5 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Henry HENDERSON M 38 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farm Servant Elizabeth HENDERSON M 36 F Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: (Farm Servants Wife) William HENDERSON 11 M Gask, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John HENDERSON 7 M Methven, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Thomas HENDERSON 4 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: (Farm Servants Son) Cheers Michelle

Michelle

Michelle Report 23 Mar 2005 00:50

Mark Sorry no sign of William but I don't have Glasgow parishes on my disc which I think is where you may find him. I think you'll find that East Muir is a suburb of Shettleston which comes under Glasgow City. Cheers Michelle