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looking for parents or relatives of john muir 1912cc campbeltown,any help appreciated think they were dockers.

Thank you Michelle. The Buchanans are definitely mine. I'll keep the Millers handy just in case they turn out to be mine too. Margaret

Margaret Hi No luck with Patrick Bray infact no Bray's at all born in Ireland. The same for Annie Mckenna. I have a James Miller and family but no Elizabeth but that could be either she was away from home that night or James her husband was a Widow. Better luck with Buchanan's I think this could be the right family!! Thomas Buchanan aged 35 born Sti Kilsyth living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 16 Page 16 No 10 Janet Buchanan aged 34 born Sti Kilsyth living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 16 Page 16 No 11 Isabel Buchanan aged 14 born Sti Kilsyth living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 16 Page 16 No 12 Jane Buchanan aged 12 born Sti Kilsyth living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 16 Page 16 No 13 Robert Buchanan aged 10 born Sti Kilsyth living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 16 Page 16 No 14 John Buchanan aged 8 born Sti Kilsyth living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 16 Page 16 No 15 Thomas Buchanan aged 6 born Sti Kilsyth living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 16 Page 16 No 16 Janet Buchanan aged 4 born Sti Kilsyth living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 16 Page !6 No 17 Alexander Buchanan aged 2 born Old Monkalnd living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 16 Page 16 No 18 Daughter aged 1 month born Old Monklnad living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 16 Page 16 No 19 James Miller aged 57 born Dalziel living in parish of Cambusnethan Dist 6 Page 6 No 9 Adam Miller aged 16 born Dalziel living in parish of Cambusnethan Dist 6 Page 6 No 10 James Miller aged 14 born New Monkland living in parish of Cambusnethan Dist 6 Page 6 No 11 Marion Miller aged 10 born Lks Wishaw living in parish of Cambusnethan Dist 6 Page 6 No 12 Christine Miller aged 7 born Lks Wishaw living in parish of Cambusnethan Dist 6 Page 6 No 13 Janet Miller aged 5 born Lks Wishaw living in parish of Cambusnethan Dist 6 Page 6 No 14 Cheers Michelle

James Here is a possible for Margaret and young Robert, Margaret is listed as Head but not as a widow - as married so her husband is sway from home which would fit with you saying they immigrated to Canada that year, maybe Peter was on board ship to Canada at the time of the census and sent for Margaret and kids later on. There were no Peter Roll's anywhere else in Scotland on their own and I checked England and Wales just in case! Dwelling: 19 Moore St Census Place: Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203638 GRO Ref Volume 644-3 EnumDist 10 Page 14 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Margaret ROLLO M 26 F Chappelhall, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Housekeeper Annie ROLLO U 6 F Chappelhall, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Robert ROLLO U 3 M Chappelhall, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Rebecca ROLLO U 7 m M Chappelhall, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Ann SMITH M 26 F Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Visitor Occ: Steam Washer Woman Francis SMITH 7 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Visitor Occ: Scholar Cheers Michelle

Hi Michelle, On the 1851 census could you please check: Patrick BRAY c1844 (age 18 at 1862 marriage) parents Patrick and Mary. He was born in Ireland; trying to get information as to where in Ireland. Hoping he was in Scotland by '51. Annie MCKENNA c1846 (age 16 at 1862 marriage) parents Bernard and Rose. Born in Ireland; as above. James MILLER c1837 parents James and Elizabeth; trying to find area of birth so I can check parish registers. Jane BUCHANAN c1838 parents Thomas and Janet; as above. Could you please include anyone with same surname on the page. Thanks. Margaret

Sally I think this could be your family. Arthur Hawthorn aged 51 born Glasgow living in parish of Cambusnethan Dist 8 Page 3 No 10 Christina Hawthorn aged 48 born Old Monkland living in parish of Cambusnethan Dist 8 Page 3 No 11 John Hawthorn aged 21 born Glasgow living in parish of Cambusnethan Dist 8 Page 3 No 12 Arthur Hawthorn aged 15 born Rutherglen living in parish of Cambusnethan Dist 8 Page 3 No 13 Agnes Hawthorn aged 13 born Cambuslang living in parish of Cambusnethan Dist 8 Page 3 No 14 Leivy Hawthorn aged 4 born Bothwell living in parish of Cambusnethan Dist 8 Page 3 No 15 Cheers Michelle

Hi Michelle, Many thanks for the information on the Colburn and Ross families in Edinburgh. I notice that Colburn has been transcribed as Colborn, but it is definitely my family, because of the ages and birthplaces of Johns' parents. It also looks as if it could very well be my Ross family. I don't know exactly when Margarets' father, John was born, but i know that his father was named James, which with the old Scottish way of naming children would make sense for his eldest son to be called James. Many thanks once again, your help is really appreciated, regards Norman.

Would it be possible for you to do a look-up in the 1851 Lanarkshire index for an Arthur HAWTHORN(E).?? He was born in 1836 so would be about 15 years old. His parents would be another Arthur HAWTHORN(E) and either a Christina or Margaret. Any information would be great. Thank you Sally

Mark Sorry no sign of William but I don't have Glasgow parishes on my disc which I think is where you may find him. I think you'll find that East Muir is a suburb of Shettleston which comes under Glasgow City. Cheers Michelle

Donna Hi Nothing coming up for with either John or Elizabeth. Nothing for Agnes at all. But there were these two possibles for Mary and Elizabeth who are both married. I put all the details into the search engine but left out their Surname Syme to see who would come up with their ages and born in Fowlis Wester and there were only these so def possibel!! Dwelling: 85 Main St Census Place: Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203513 GRO Ref Volume 387 EnumDist 36 Page 32 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James BALLANTYNE M 38 M Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Saddler Mary BALLANTYNE M 40 F Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland Rel: Wife James BALLANTYNE 14 M Redgorton, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Grocers Apprentice Robert BALLANTYNE 12 M Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Message Boy William BALLANTYNE 11 M Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Isabella BALLANTYNE 9 F Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Jane BALLANTYNE 7 F Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar George BALLANTYNE 5 M Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Mary BALLANTYNE 3 F Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Daur David BALLANTYNE 10 m M Kinnoull, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Minnia BALLANTYNE 6 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Niece Occ: Scholar David DRYSDALE U 25 M Tullibody, Clackmannan, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Saddler Dwelling: Bachilton Cotter House Census Place: Methven, Perth, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203509 GRO Ref Volume 380 EnumDist 5 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Henry HENDERSON M 38 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Farm Servant Elizabeth HENDERSON M 36 F Fowlis Wester, Perth, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: (Farm Servants Wife) William HENDERSON 11 M Gask, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John HENDERSON 7 M Methven, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Thomas HENDERSON 4 M Perth, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: (Farm Servants Son) Cheers Michelle

Norman hi Dwelling: Gorgie Square Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0223989 GRO Ref Volume 685-1 EnumDist 2 Page 7 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John COLBORN M 42 M Stonehaven, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Gardener Jane COLBORN M 47 F Closeburn, Dumfries, Scotland Rel: Wife Isabella COLBORN U 18 F Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Gelatine Worker Margaret COLBORN U 17 F Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Gelatine Worker Jessie COLBORN 14 F Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Gelatine Worker Mary COLBORN 13 F Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Daur John COLBORN 12 M Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar This is a possibel for Margaret Ross, it shows John as married but could have been mistranscibed and he could have been a Widow. Dwelling: 11 Newton Street Census Place: Edinburgh St Cuthberts, Edinburgh, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0223989 GRO Ref Volume 685-1 EnumDist 1 Page 32 Marr Age Sex Birthplace John ROSS M 37 M Corstorphine, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Mason James ROSS 14 M Edinburgh St Cuthberts Rel: Son Occ: Mason Margaret ROSS 13 F Edinburgh St Cuthberts Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar John ROSS 11 M Edinburgh St Cuthberts Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Robert ROSS 8 M Edinburgh St Cuthberts Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Catherine ROSS 6 F Edinburgh St Cuthberts Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar William ROSS 4 M Edinburgh St Cuthberts Rel: Son cheers Michelle

Val I can highly recommend scotlandspeople site, it is by far the best place to start your research in Scotland followed by visits to New Register House in Edinburgh but it can be very costly ( I think I must own shares in it by now!!) I just think that it would be nice if they allowed copies of their censuses to be put on discs for us lot to be able to purchase as we do with censuses in England. I have heard that S & N are negoitating for this to happen so we just have to be patient!! You can buy microfilm rolls for parish records from New Register House but at £45 per reel You have to be sure that it would be cost effective plus have access to a viewer ( These reels are for pros I think!! cheers Michelle

Joyce Sorry no Sarah on my discs except one aged 36 (a wife/husband Collin) My discs however don't cover the Glasgow parishes. I have listed all the Mckellar's that I found incase any are related and may be useful for future reference. Collin McKellar aged 38 born Arl Lochgilphead living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Page 22 No 5 Sarah McKellar aged 36 born Lesmahagow living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Page 22 No 6 Jane McKellar aged 13 born Lesmahagow living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Page 22 No 7 Flory McKellar aged 11 born Lesmahagow living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Pag e22 No 8 John McKellar aged 8 born Lesmahagow living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Page 22 No 9 Margaret McKellar aged 5 born Lesmahagow living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Page 22 No 10 William McKellar aged 3 born Lesmahagow living in parish of Lesmahagow Dist 4 Page 22 No 11 Mary McKellar aged 19 born Glasgow living in parish of Cambuslang Dist 4 Page 14 No 20 Patrick McKellar aged 26 born Ireland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 2 John McKellar aged 16 born Ireland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 3 Margaret McKellar aged 20 born Ireland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 4 Mary McKellar aged 14 born Ireland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 5 Robert McKellar aged 12 born Ireland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 6 Archibald McKellar aged 48 born Arl Bonawe living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 7 Helen McKellar aged 44 born Lks Glasgow living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 8 Janet McKellar aged 8 born Old Monkland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 9 Neil McKellar aged 5 born Old Monkland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 10 Helen McKellar aged 9 born Old Monkland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 15 Page 16 No 11 Donald McKellar aged 36 born Arl Tobermory living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 40 Page 9 No 1 Martha McKellar aged 36 born Glasgow living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 40 Page 9 No 2 Mary McKellar aged 8 born Glasgow living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 40 Page 9 No 3 Hugh McKellar aged 2 born New Monkland living in parish of Old Monkland Dist 40 Page 9 No 4 Catherind McKellar aged 22 born Glasgow living in parish of New Monkland Dist 33a Page 2 No 17 Duncan McKellar aged 30 born Arl Calinishail living in parish of Rutherglen/Carmichael Dist 16 Page 15 No 3 Margaret McKellar aged 28 born Old Monkland living in parish of Rutherglen/Carmichael Dist 16 Page 15 No 4 Marion McKellar aged 3 born Barony Glasgow living in parish of Rutherglen/Carmichael Dist 16 Page 15 No 5 Duncan McKellar aged 4 days born Rutherglen living in parish of Rutherglen/Carmichael Dist 16 Page 15 No 6 Cheers Michelle

John It is very difficult without a birthplace or exact age, but there are two possibles in the frame, lots of others but none with a George and Christina together - or there are Georges as widows but none in Barony/born Barony and the same for Christinas as widows. The first one is a Christina with a Thomas G Smith, which could be G for George and could mean that he used George instead of Thomas. The second is the only George of that age group Widowed but living in Barony. I think you would need to track down their marriage in 1849 from Scotlandspeople site to help you further or ask for a look up in New Register House in Edinburgh. Dwelling: 35 Carnarvon St Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203662 GRO Ref Volume 644-9 EnumDist 56 Page 8 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Thomas G. SMITH M 54 M Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Journalist Newspaper Christina SMITH M 53 F Hamilton, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Housekeeper Christina W. SMITH U 24 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur James L. SMITH U 20 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Salesman (Wholesale Soft Gds) Robert M. SMITH U 16 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Clerk (Whsale Soft Goods) Thomas G. SMITH U 12 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Dwelling: 3 Windsor Street Census Place: Barony, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203664 GRO Ref Volume 644-9 EnumDist 93 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace George SMITH W 48 M Duntocher, Dunbarton, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Muslin Manufr James SMITH U 21 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Commercial Clerk Grain Mercht George SMITH U 17 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Commercial Clerk Linen Mercht William J. SMITH U 15 M Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Commercial Clerk Iron Broker Jessie SMITH 12 F Glasgow, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Agnes JOHNSTON U 47 F Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Sis In Law Occ: Milliner Christina JOHNSTON U 40 F Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Sis In Law Occ: Housekeeper Dom Joanna JOHNSTON U 36 F Dalry, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Sis In Law Occ: Saleswoman Drapery Annie GOURLAY U 19 F Wishaw, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Serv Occ: Gen Serv Dom cheers Michelle

Hi Michelle Can you do 1851 Census Lanarkshire Index for William GILFILLAN age abt 13 born abt 1838 East Muir, Lanark, Scotland. Thanks Mark

Hi Michelle, Would you please check the 1881 census for John colburn and Margaret Nisbet Ross in Edinburgh. John Colburn was born 1869 Edinburgh and Margaret Ross was born 1868 Edinburgh. These were my great grandparents and i am hoping they would at that time be living with their respective parents,(John and Jane Colburn) and (John and Annie Ross). Any details you can find will be gratefully received. Many thanks Norman.

Just to let you know if you go on scotlandspeople you can get deaths up to 1954, births to 1904, marriage up to 1929 and the cencus is 1881,1891 and 1901 it is £6 for 30 credits charge 5 credits to look at the certificates and you can print them or save them

hi again Michelle G Smith+ Christina Smith(nee Fulton) could be in the early to mid 50s, i think they got married in November 1849 regards John M Smith

Marie Hi Dwelling: Buchanan St Census Place: Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203699 GRO Ref Volume 652-2 EnumDist 5 Page 30 Marr Age Sex Birthplace James MORRIS M 30 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Railway Lab Alice Dolan MORRIS M 23 F Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Wife James MORRIS 3 M Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Margaret MORRIS 1 F Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Patrick MORRIS 1 m M Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Catherine DOLAN U 20 F Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Visitor Occ: Laundress John DEEGNAN M 33 M Ireland Rel: Lodger Occ: Labourer Iron Works James LAWLER M 40 M Ireland Rel: Lodger Occ: Blacksmith Looking at Alice on the 1881 census above I see that she was born in Coatbridge and they have a visitor Catherine born in Coatbridge as well ( I would guess that this maybe Alice's sister) Also their first born son was called James (probably after his paternal grandfather or father - the second son was called Patrick (it usually follows that the second son would be called after either the father or as in this case maybe, the paternal grandfather was called James as well, therefore 2nd son would be called after the maternal granfather, therefore Alic's father could be called Patrick. (sorry its a long winded explanation but I have found this pattern of naming over and over again and can help sometimes!!) Located in the parish of Old Monkland, Coatbridge was a sleepy collection of villages until the late eighteenth century. Then, with the discovery of ironstone, the building of the Monkland Canal and the increased mining of coal, the sleepy villages grew together into the town of Coatbridge If Catherine is Alice's sister and both were born in Coatbridge it might follow that if they had any other siblings they too would be born in Coatbridge (my mind works in funny ways sometimes!!) So taking all that into consideration and as Alice was born in 1858c and therefore wouldn't be on the 1851 census index, I decided to see if I could find a possible set of parents on the 1881 in the area and came up with this one - Dwelling: No 20 Stone Row Census Place: Old Monkland, Lanark, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203699 GRO Ref Volume 652-2 EnumDist 7 Page 27 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Patrick DOLAN M 60 M Ireland Rel: Head Occ: Licensed Hawker Small Goods Annie DOLAN M 58 F Ireland Rel: Wife Margaret DOLAN 14 F Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Annie DOLAN 8 F Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Daur Occ: Scholar Michael DOLAN 6 M Coatbridge, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John KILROY W 55 M Ireland Rel: Boarder Occ: Iron Works Labourer Joanna KILROY 11 F Calder, Lanark, Scotland Rel: Boarder Occ: Scholar Daniel MARTIN U 20 M Ireland Rel: Boarder Occ: Masons Labourer I know its only guesswork but you never know!! There are 11 other Dolan's listed in the 1851 Index , 5 born in Old Monkland and 6 born in Ireland. They could be related although I can only give you the names, ages place of birth, parish they are living in and census refs. If you want the list let me know. Cheers Michelle

Cheers Michelle We got there in the end. Thanks again Mark