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hi Maureen, stephens certificate is typed and it says truscott, but ediths is scanned. Annie has signed it there is no cross and it is definately truscott. Her marriage certificate is definatley an edward truscott as the father and that is scanned as well. i have never thought of the prescott angle because it is so clear.

For what it is worth I have checked Prescotts on the census and couldn't come up with anything and many other names too numerous to mention. HAPPY DAYS.

thanks trisha for all your hard work on both occasions, u have given me food for thought each and every time i really do appreciate everybodys time and effort on this one. thankyou all so much

Maureen, I've just done a massive clear out on my computer so am up and running. But I am not going to continue on this one at the moment because it does need fresh eyes. This is my second attempt, having spent a few hours or more on it a few weeks ago and I am becoming as bogged down as Lynsey but I suspect there may be a cover up or something. Annie(like my own great grandmother) sounds as though she was a bit of a 'girl' so the layers have to be slowly peeled away. Suspect we should concentrate on Lancashire. All the best,Tricia

Thanks again to you all, i am going to have to look at the possiblity that she was born with this name but the Elisabeth in salford. Maybe she was born in her fathers name but for some reason changed to her mothers maiden ame of truscott but still used her fathers first name for registering things.

Lynsey, Edwin's mother was Johanna. One interesting thing is that his sister Elizabeth was a servant in Salford in 1891. Crista

Thanks Trisha Maureen I've emailed u

Crista, I will have to leave this to you. My computer keeps crashing and it has taken 25 minutes to add this reply. Lynsey - you didn't confuse me - I confused myself. I have spent an hour this morning looking for all possibilitoes and combinations and came to the conclusion she may not have been named Truscott at birth. Goodness knows. I have looked for all annie's,Anns and Hannah's age 7/8 under Truscott and all mistranscription I can think of. Unfortunately people often lie on certificates and Annie may well have done this. I can't search anymore at the moment because I can't stay on line for more than a few minutes at a time. So, fingers crossed for Crista and I'll try and have a look at the thread later on. Good luck!!!!

Lynsey, Mary Mitchell was the widow who married Edwin Truscott. I'm think I saw some Johanna Truscotts last night. Off to have a look. Crista

just looked on 1837 from 1883 'til early85. I found the two annies I have ruled out by father and occupation but I found a Johanna born JAS 1884 in prescot, which is the registration district for here, but I cannot find her on any census on ancestry. Edwin Truscott who you found was born Edwin in st Austell or that was the only one i found over a period around the 1863 date. why do I feel the brick wall is coming back.

hi tricia sorry for confusing you, what i was saying was that there was no link for the eburn annie as he father was john and she lived in london with him in 1901. This is why i have not done much research with that one as i didnt think there was a link. Sorry Crista..whos Mary Mitchell, Could Annie be short for Hannah?

Just checked to see if this Mary Mitchell had any children called Annie but she didn't. She had a daughter called Hannah but she was born c1888. Crista

Oh, heck, Lynsey, John was a solicitor's clerk. He's not her dad. Why did you think he was -I've lost the thread of this!!! Was he on marriage cert to Edward Eburn. We've come full circle again. How about looking on 1837 again for all Annie's born over those 2 years.. Going to bed now. Tricia

What was occu of John . I am half alseep!!! Why do you say she is back with her family in 1901 - they are in London and she is in Manchester. What happened to the child she had in Manchester. My great grandmother's sister conceived an illegitimate child in London and was packed off to Ilkeston to have the baby which was then fostered in Ilkeston. She then returned to London where she eventually married. We have to eliminate people here. We have to start with John - he has to be connected to the Chemical industry and his 2nd name has to be Edward. So if you don't reply tonight I will check the thread tomorrow.

gerrard street is still around, this one looks too good to overlook, i will have to check this out. the only question is did he marry and if so annie was born around 83/84 so where is she and her mother if he was just a lodger in 91? But even if he is not her father it gives me a truscott link up north. thanks Trisha and Crista

This is Edwin in 1881 which clarifys that birthplace. He is born in Cornwall but living Widnes so a mistake was made on 1891. I still think he looks interesting. No Edwards around.Of course he may be Edward but just wanted to be trendy??? Match Quality Name Estimated Birth Year Birthplace Relationship Residence View Image Andrew Truscott abt 1839 St Stephensons, Cornwall, England Head Widnes Edwin Truscott abt 1863 St Taurel, Cornwall, England Son Widnes Elizabeth Truscott abt 1866 St Taurel, Cornwall, England Daughter Widnes Frederick Truscott abt 1869 St Taurel, Cornwall, England Son Widnes If this was Annie's father where the devil is she? What was that John E's occupation. Go on, tell me it was Chemicals or manure. I still think there maybe a bit of unravelling to do yet. Johanna Truscott abt 1824 St Taurel, Cornwall, England Wife Widnes They are living Gerrard St Widnes and he is labourer in' Alkali Works'

yes tricia ,thats the one. Annie was living with edward eburn in 1891, but she must have been just visiting as in 1901 she is back with parents. I have done a bit of research on this family, i even had this annies birth certificate 'by mitake' before any of these details were found by yourself and others. I still am very unsure about thisfamily as I also found a 2nd Edward Eburn living with that family in 1901 and also found marriage records for him marrying an annie truscott. Surely this was not a coinsidence. But if she did marry him she wouldnt have had a daughter called Edith truscott in 1910 up in manchester would she? I dont know, maybe this is her, ran away from her marriage and returned to her maiden name but , i dont know I just think there wasnt enough evidence to proof a vital link. This annies father was John E truscott, and as i said earlier this could be the father she is referring to as the e may stand for edward and he prefered his middle name but with her ending up in a workhouse in manchester and giving birth to an illigitamate child, was she bannished there by family or just unable to support herself?

Are we going round in circles again. The only Edwin Truscott on 1901 is now married to Mary living in Widnes with a family all born Widnes but with Edwin now born St Toss Cornwall. Now working in manure.(as it were). Why does all this ring bells. Have they been mentioned before??I'll see if I can spot him on 1881. All very strange

Remind me -was the Annie staying with Edward Eburn in London a red herring. I remember the names but can't remember why???

i will check that out tricia, i know the names of most of the chemical plants here as my nans side of the family The Hooligans lived and worked in widnes ever since thwey came from ireland. Because my grandad died before i was born he was always a mystery to mr that is why i am looking for his side as i thought my nans would be easy living in widnes and all. Thanks for that both of you , trip to widnes library tommorrow me thinks!