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Thanks Tricia for info on copying I didn't know... After every ones hard work I would have hated too loose it all.Copying now completed.. Sheila

I have now read all the messages from everyone and would like to say how grateful I am that you have all given me your time to help with my family tree.It is piecing together abit now,any info on the brother that died?????? maybe it was the step brother????? mum remembers her mum telling her about it. Sheila

Make sure you copy down all this information because as each new request is added to board your thread drops down and eventually disappears.

thanks tricia will be most grateful,hope everyone else forgives me.only just realised I can add a message for all to see instead of emailing everyone seperatley.Thick or what??? I SAID BE PATIENT............... Sheila

Totally forgiven,Sheila. Thought perhaps you didn't know how to pick up your thread -that's why I sent a little message.Will forward census Emails to you. Tricia

SORRY to every but i am a complete novice at GR. PC.family tree EVERYTHING. I am really really grateful for all your replies ,I AM SO EMBARRASED NOW.Please keep them coming, now i know what i am doing I will sit down later and reply to everyone I PROMISE..PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH ME .THANKS AGAIN TO ALL SHEILA

Ok - we think we have the ancestors - now the real detective work begins - to find the descendant Sheila. Where are you????

The information is not for me but I thought you all did a great job!!! Pity it is not my family Pam

Pat - apparently not :( I guess that's another one to add to the blacklist of ungrateful info requesters... shame really isn't it. Richard

Nudge - does anyone what this inform??

Well said, Elaine, but where is Sheila?? Tricia

Sorry for intruding ... but I have to say.... YOU ALL DESERVE A MEDAL ! Elaine :-)

on the 1901, Joseph gives his place of birth as "Rhas Robin wales", could be a mistranscription but thought I'd show it anyway! Robert married Margaret Brindle. They have one daughter on the 1901, name of Sarah Phoenix. Have brother Joseph Phoenix with them, aged 19, born in Wrexham.

If you send for Joseph's first marriage cert you will get both father'snames and they can be checked against 1871 census. At moment I can only find one Joseph Phoenix of correct age and he is a boarder but birthplace is given as Poolmouth so can't be sure it is him. Can't find death of first Matilda Phoenix - needs to be checked against 1837 online Tricia

If Matilda Roberts was her full maiden name, then this looks like her birth reference: Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page --------------------------------------------------- Births Mar 1852 -------------------------------------------------------------------- ROBERTS Matilda Wrexham 11b 309 Matilda (jnr)'s sister's marriage: Surname First name(s) District Vol Page ------------------------------------------------------------ Marriages Mar 1896 ------------------------------------------------ Laycock Anson Leigh 8c 331 Marsh John Leigh 8c 331 Phoenix Sarah Jane Leigh 8c 331 And her brother's: Surname First name(s) District Vol Page ------------------------------------------------------- Marriages Mar 1899 ------------------------------------------------------------------- Atkinson James Leigh 8c 333 Brindle Margaret Leigh 8c 333 Phoenix Robert Leigh 8c 333 Roberts Hannah Jane Leigh 8c 333

Have found what could be first marriage of Joseph Phoenix Qrt ending Dec 1872 Wrexham 11b 677 No female on page but cross referenced with all Matilda's married same time and with same ref and found this: Qrt ending Dec1872 Wrexham 11b 677 Matilda Roberts This should be your Matilda'smother.

Yes, quite agree. Looks as though they both brought children to a second marriage.

1881 -- now this could be Matilda's mother!! Joseph PHOENIX Head M Male 28 Gwersyllt, Denbigh, Wales Coalminer Matilda PHOENIX Wife M Female 29 Wrexham, Denbigh, Wales Sarah J. PHOENIX Daur Female 7 Gwersyllt, Denbigh, Wales Scholar Margaret PHOENIX Daur Female 4 Broughton, Denbigh, Wales Robert PHOENIX Son Male 1 Broughton, Denbigh, Wales Manuel PRICE Boarder U Male 35 Ruabon, Denbigh, Wales Coalminer Source Information: Dwelling Railway Cott Rhosddu Census Place Stansty, Denbigh, Wales Family History Library Film 1342327 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5520 / 118 Page Number 28

In 1901 Matilda is boarding with Charles Croston(?) and family in Leigh. Email if you want image - it's a big family and I type very slowly Tricia

Matilda's marriageName Year Quarter District County Volume Page LITTLER, Walter 1901 December Leigh Lancashire 8c 367 McCarthy, Minnie 1901 December Leigh Lancashire 8c 367 Phoenix, Matilda 1901 December Leigh Lancashire 8c 367 Yates, John 1901 December Leigh Lancashire 8c 367 Isn't this exciting ..and the next one is??????? -