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I was wondering if anybody could help here. I have managed to obtain a copy of my great grandparents marriage certificate, but other than that have not managed to find any other records of them. My great grandfather was George Watson PAGE and my great grandmother was Gertrude Isabella SPARROW. The marriage took placein the parish church in Gorleston, Suffolk 1886. I know that between then and the birth of my grandmother, Grace Eveline that they moved to somewhere in the Durham area as Grace was registered in Gateshead. I have found some censuses(sp?) that may have been them, but have turned out to be unlikely as my Nan was 1 of 17 children....According to the certificate George was 20 at the time of the marriage and a blacksmith and Gertrude was 18. Any ideas where I should go from there or has anybody else got some PAGES and SPARROWS that they are researching? Any help would be much appreciated :) Thanks Ann

No brick walls - good news! Bad news is that the image is barely readable and I am not going to attempt to transcribe it. Send me your Email and I will send the 1891 image - they are living in Northumberland. Tricia

Hiya Ann, Not sure if this is remotely connected to you ... but here it is anyway .. George Watson Page Male Event(s): Birth: 21 JUN 1853 Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England Parents: Father: John Page Family Mother: Margaret Watson This is an entry by a 3rd party on the IGI ... so not necessarily reliable anyway. If it was an exact record from the indexes I would be more inclined to say its a possible. will keep checking. Elaine :-) having since seen Tricia's find, its looking likely ..so you need to check the actual indexes for a Sept 1853 entry for birth of George Watson Page, to see if it checks out.

Thank you so much :) Ann

Thank you both for your help. Ann

Email sent. I checked the next page which was clear and their address is Temple St Newcastle. Tricia

JOHN PAGE Male Family Event(s): Birth: Christening: Death: Burial: Parents: Father: JAMES PAGE Family Marriages: Spouse: MARGARET WATSON Family Marriage: 18 JUL 1838 All Saints, Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England Messages: Extracted marriage record for locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the marriage date. If its the correct George Watson Page, then this looks like his parents marriage ...and you get Grandad to boot !! lucky you !! Elaine :-)

It certainly gives me more avenues to look at, I really hope it is the right one :) You guys are the best

And there's more ... but I would take it , again, with a pinch of salt. Another entry on IGI, from 3rd party. Millicent Margaret Page b 1844 Dalston, Cumberland. ...same parents as George Watson Page .. John & Margaret, so they could be brother and sister. Nothing coming up for Sparrow .. but I'll keep searching ! Elaine :-)

Stop showing off,Elaine. There are people out there watching you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Got a bit translated on that image - how about you Off to find more inform now - got to get that Elaine on the run. Tricia

Managed to find the GRO refrence on 1837online thanks to your info. I am going to order the birth certificate and hopefully will learn even more from that. I am so excited! I didn't expect to get this far as my grandmother was estranged from her family years ago.

Ann, On the marriage cert, what names and occupations are given for each Father please ? Elaine :-)

and also found the GRO for the marriage possibility you gave me :) Looks like I'll be keeping the GRO busy for a while :)

This is the bad news for George's father the name is also George which may mean the John Page family doesn't make sense. The father's occupation is also blacksmith. For Gertrudes father he is deceased but his occupation is showing as Ostler. Maybe this isn't the one as if the wedding was 1886 and he was 20 years old then...grrr, but I have a good feeling about this one, mother's name being Watson and all. Gertrudes father was Frederick Sparrow

I have Gertrude at home with mum & dad and other little Sparrows if you would like them. Can't find the Pages on 1871 as yet,though. Tricia

Would love them :) Ann

There is only one entry for a Gertrude age 1 in Lowestoft and her father is Ostler but his name is Samuel!!! She has a brother called Frederick

I am starting to think that my ancestors liked to have assumed names lol. Was wondering if perhaps old Gertie lied about her dad on the birth cert? She could have even lied about her age...guessing if she was younger than 18 she would have had to have asked the father's permission. A witness at the wedding was a Annie Emily Sparrow, I found a possible record for her. Thinking of buying that cert and maybe it will turn out to be a sister of Gertrude or an aunt...

The only Annie E Sparrow Suffolk on 1871 is in household of a John Willis so hold that thought. Of course, Sparrow could be her married name. If you look on 1881 Gertrude is with mother Jemina and siblings in lodgings. . Again, she is the only one that fits.Jemina is down as married but no husband there. Tricia

Now then Tricia ...I've just spent ages trying to locate Flirty Gerty and can't find her ...not on IGI OR 1881 ....???? maybe I've been sat at PC too long today !! Also checked for Annie E Sparrow on IGI there are several, so no news there ! Sorry girls, I've flunked out !! Son screaming for tea, so good time for me to bow out !! Good Luck Ann, fingers crossed that this jigsaw falls into place ! Elaine :-)