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Have I cracked it I hope so !! The Emily I have was formally Andrews and married to George Cole in 1859 and they had three children Henry Cole b1867 Charles Cole b1869 and Robert Cole b1872 George Cole the father had two brothers and a sister and one of the brothers was John Cole b1832 married to a Mary Lilly and they had eight children and one of the children was Henry Cole married to Harriet Carver in 1886 and they were my husbands grandparents - regards Pauline - ps keep getting your mail returned today.

I'm throwing in the towel too. Good luck Julie

Sorry girls but I too am off to bed (stomach still playing up). Will check back in tomorrow morning. Many thanks to Elaine, Smiley Sammy and Rosemary for all your help so far. Love Julie X

Elaine, John was definitely alive until at least 1916 because George married that year and John was on the marriage certificate as a fisherman. Julie

Hi Rosemary, John had 7 brothers and sisters, all older than him. Thomas, Joseph and William, all married with kids. Elizabeth dont know who she married, Mary Jane, she married a Stallard. Sarah possibly married William Eades, and Amy who married a Henry Lilly. Alice's parents were John and Jane Cole. Julie

I've checked incase John had died before the 1901 ...so sign .. but I haven't checked 1837. Elaine :-) Sorry girls, I'm bowing out for tonight. Will catch up with you tomorrow. Son is acting up and won't go to bed ! Back tomorrow to see how the land lies ! Good luck, if anyone can crack this you can ! Elaine :-)

Julie, still can't find the rest. I think there are 2 possibilities. Either they are living in counties that are not indexed yet or appear with the same last name of a family they were living with. Do you know any last names of possible aunts or uncles? What about Amelia's parents names?

Hi Sammy, I am pretty sure there not mine, and John Snr was born in Portsmouth, Milton (I have his birth cert). They have been driving me mad for ages now. J.

Rosemary, Checked it out, I see William Eades wife was a Sarah, John Atkins had a sister Sarah AND her birth date ties in! Two down 6 to go! I wonder WHAT happened and where the father was, George (age 7), has to be around somewhere, he is my great grandfather. Thanks again, much appreciated. J.

This is the family Elaine has Francis B Arkins 12 Portsea, Hampshire, England Son St Mary Extra Hampshire John I Arkins 41 Petersfield, Hampshire, England Head St Mary Extra Hampshire John W Arkins 13 Portsea, Hampshire, England Son St Mary Extra Hampshire Mary A Arkins 45 Portsea, Hampshire, England Wife St Mary Extra Hampshire Albert R Atkins 4 Portsea, Hampshire, England Son St Mary Extra Hampshire Arthur V Atkins 11 Ryde, Hampshire, England Son St Mary Extra Hampshire Ellen G Atkins 5 Portsea, Hampshire, England Daughter St Mary Extra Hampshire George L Atkins 8 Portsea, Hampshire, England Son St Mary Extra Hampshire Lewis V Atkins 9 Portsea, Hampshire, England Son St Mary Extra Hampshire Mabel B Atkins 7 Southampton, Hampshire, England Daughter St Mary Extra Hampshire Phyllis D Atkins 2 Portsea, Hampshire, England Daughter St Mary Extra Hampshire Four of them are transcribed as Arkins, they were on the previous census page, but are part of the same family. Not yours are they Julie? Sorry Elaine!!

Hi Rosemary, Wonderful...thanks!! I'll check it out on Ancestry now. I wonder who the Eades were. Be right back. J.

Found Sarah. Listed as neice living with the William Eades Family in Portsmouth. I can send you the image if you send me an email. I'll keep looking for the others.

Elaine, I'm not aware of a Lewis but you never know. The Atkins' were a fairly large family in Portsmouth and many of them were fishermen. Don't know if that helps at all! J.

Apologies for absence girls, but I do have a note from my mother!!! Husband came home and wanted feeding.....Cheek! I'm still looking for the Atkins crew ;)

update so far... George aged 8 born Portsea in St Mary Extra Southampton with (same house) Lewis aged 9 same details ? Will plod along .. Elaine :-) NO : loads of others in household but none with names as you have given... back to drawing board. Elaine :-)

Sorry that I dissappeared girls, touch of an upset stomach I'm afraid!! I got most of the children's details from the Search Room at the Records Office here in Portsmouth, they have a vast index card file relating to baptisms, marriages etc (which is where I got the years of birth from). J.

Changed message cos you were typing yopur last one at same time ... how do you know about the other children listed then ? Armed with all the info, we might be able to find some of the children with grandparents then ... or have you already looked ?? Elaine :-)

Hi again Elaine, I have John birth certificate 24th Jan 1892, Southsea (Portsea), father John Atkins, mother Alice Amelia formerly Cole. And George Atkins, 15th December 1893, Eastney, (Portsea), father John Atkins, mother Alice Amelia formerly Cole. Julie

Sam, Yes, sorry, the ages are what they would have been in 1901. Elaine, Yes, I would think they would either be single or newly married, as their first child was, like you say born 1892. Their parents names were George and Harriet Atkins and John and Jane Cole. Many thanks, Julie

Hi Rosemary ! Julie, where are you ... come back ! we need your guidance dear ! Elaine :-)