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Jools.....don't know if you've given up, if you have never mind. If not, the birth you have for Emily's FIL is not early enough, Emily's husband John was 45 in 1891, so that's HIS birth you have. I'm looking at MALKIN now, there are lots!

Thank's for all your help on this girl's, you can give up now,i'll think of another way round it Thank's again Shan

Now you know why isked for help, i reckon if we can find him that's where i reckon sophia and james are.Ive been looking for the two older sisters,and not had any luck with them either Shan

Possible birth for John Bunyan Snr. (emily's father in law) Births Dec 1846 Bunyan John Richard St Pancras 1 253 Births Mar 1847 Bunyan John Thomas Clerkenwell 3 107 I'm inclined to favour the St Pancras one. Off to see if I can find him on 1871 census. UPDATE - Why am I not surprised??? Can't find him on 1871. Only one Bun??n I can see of roughly the right age and he's born Brighton. AAAAAAAAAAAAGH

yep definatley Malkin, be back soon got to get rid of cookies pc is like a snail Shan

Just go and check on 1837 Shan

Have found what I think is Emily's first marriage to Mr Browning on freebmd Dec 1866 William BROWNING and Emily MALKIN Pancras 1b/193 Note surname is maLkin not maTkin UPDATE - I think I have found Emily's brother John on 1891. Source information: RG12/2688 Registration district: Nottingham Sub registration district: Nottingham North West ED, institution, or vessel: 23 Folio: 99 Page: 30 Malkin, John W Single 34 London Lodger Radford Nottinghamshire Hawker Nelmes (could be Holmes), Mary A Married 24 Tewkesbury, Gloucestershire Head Radford Nottinghamshire Hawker Also on freebmd, possible death of James (emily's father) Deaths Jun 1885 Malkin James 70 Shoreditch 1c 64 Jools

Hi Girl's, dont know if the older sister's married, maybe i should try and track them down.Emily's father was James Matkin or watkin's as he was transcribed in 1871,and John's father was wait for it John. Thank's for the help on this Shan

ANOTHER QUESTION FOR SHAN....... Any idea who the elder daughter's married? They may have had the younger children to stay. I think we will find these two children through the names of the adults they are presumably with, I'm sure between us, we have tried all combinations for Sophia & James, so we could do with locating Emily or John's parents, or Emma & Emily the eldest daughter's, who may or may not be married. Sam

I know where I saw more Bunyan's now..... In the list below I looked at the image for Emily S, being a similar age to the Sophia that we're after, the neighbours are transcribed as BANGON, but they look like more Bunyon's/Bunyan's. Sorry to confuse :-\ Bangon, Alice 8 St James, London Daughter St Anne London Bangon, Annie 12 Lambeth, Surrey Daughter St Anne London Bangon, Beatrice 6 St. Anne, London Daughter St Anne London Bangon, John 15 St. Anne, London Son St Anne London Bangon, John G 54 St Martins, London Head St Anne London Bangon, Louisa 31 St James, London Wife St Anne London Bangon, Louisa 14 Lambeth, Surrey Daughter St Anne London Bangon, William 2 St. Anne, London Son St Anne London Bunyon, Annie 52 Greenwich, Kent Wife St Anne London *Bunyon, Emily S 19 Middlesex Daughter St Anne London* Bunyon, Florence 16 Middlesex Daughter St Anne London Bunyon, John 56 Middlesex Head St Anne London

I'll have a look Jools, unless I was looking at a different year. Back in a mo Sam

Sammy - I know it was late last night, but where do you get other Bunyan's next door from? From the top of the page it's Govier (4) Chisholm (5) Bunyon (7) Sweeney (7) Ewins (5). Jools

No sophia had no middle name, but on her brother John's wedding cert her name was sophy, any help??? Shan

Shan, did Sophia have a middle name?

Oh No! don't go Rosemary!!! We need all hands on deck! Shan reads one post I reckon, then answers........Bless her! Here is 1891, John's wife Bunyon, Emily 39 London Wife St Andrew Holborn above the Bars and St George the Martyr London I've just looked at that image and there are other Bunyans next door I think See what you think Rosemary & Jools Sam

Hi rosemary, i must apologise, i did'nt mean to leave you out, i was just so happy that i thought with all you wonderful people on GC i might find my elusive JB. sorry GR Shan

Jools and Sammy what wonderful people you are, had to leave and tend the family like you do somtimes, Emily was born Matkin we think, married Browning, he died young, in 1871 Emily was living with Dad and brother James trabnscribed as watkins, on the 27th may of the same year she married my John Bunyan.They over the year's had en load's of kid's and in 1891 James/Jim age 9 and Sophia age 11 were not at home, HELP where were they???????. Sophia married Charles Watson 10th april 1898 Holborn, James /Jim was a fishmonger's assistant age 19 in 1901 living with dad and brother Harry/Henry he was 13,Dad was a widow, and they were living Duncan building's. What i am looking for is where was James and Sophia or variations of name's in 1891. Like you said maybe with granny and grandad and if they are that's where my John James Bunyan snr is.LOL puzzle solved,now find em. Luv You ALL Shan

No divine intervention or inspiration Jools, got two summer tops and some thongs though, I'll put one on and see if it helps!!!!!!!!! W it is then you two, I agree that both children ought to be together, and like you Jools I have tried all sorts of Sop* and Bun* and Bin* and Ben* and Jim's. Off for another look now. Sam

Time for a different tack. I'm assuming this is James birth BUNYAN James John H St Saviour 1d 149 Dec 1881 so will try and find him. Jools

Sam - I hope you got some divine inspiration while you were at Sainsbury's because I think you and I need some right now LOL. Thanks for the 1871 info - I've had a close look at the image and afraid to say I think it is a W for widow. The letter is written from the top left corner, not the bottom left as the M's are - have a close look using the magnifier and see if you agree. I've tried every combination of sop* with place of birth clerkenwell, holborn, islington, middlesex and london for the ages 10, 11 and 12 and found all sorts of possibilities which have taken me to a dead end (and I daren't even think about James!!!!) At a guess they will both be together somewhere - the question is where. I do wonder if Sophia had any other christin names and she used that instead. Jools