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hip hip hurray,we've found them.they were all in the census for 1881 and 1891 living at mainsforth terr.sunderland.thanks to everyone for their help in this particular search.thanks to ian and ceri for the extra info on ernest's war history.where would we be without you all? i know in hospital with bandages around our heads,after banging our heads off the walls.once again a big thankyou for all you have done. cheers sue

wonder if that is his birth,could you see if there was a violet and a charles there to?

hi am back,no they all had the same mother as far as i'm aware

So he has a different mother to Violet then!!!
This is his militay record death, along with the one i have already posted!

Name: PATTERSON, Ernest
Regiment, Corps etc.: Royal Army Medical Corps
Battalion etc.:
Last name: Patterson
First name(s): Ernest
Initials: E
Birthplace: Sunderland
Enlisted: Sunderland
Residence:
Rank: PRIVATE
Number: 44722
Date died: 07 October 1917
How died: Died of wounds
Theatre of war: France & Flanders
Supplementary Notes:

He is buried in Belgium.

Found the following birth that could be him
Births Sep 1898 (>99%)
Patterson Ernest Sunderland 10a 614

hi ceri,just checked before i left,the first one is the one,mothers name is ann,but nothing about his birth

hi ceri,just checked in before i go ,yes the first one is him,thats the only info i have on him,that his mother is ann,nothing about his birth

I have searched for Ernest's military death record, there is one for Sunderland, which is the following, however it states that his mother was Ann!!

Name: PATTERSON, ERNEST
Initials: E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Private
Regiment/Service: Royal Army Medical Corps
Unit Text: 35th Field Amb
Age: 26
Date of Death: 07/10/1917
Service No: 44722
Additional information: Son of Ann Patterson, of 59, Mainsforth Terrace, Hendon, Sunderland.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: VII. G. 7.
Cemetery: DOZINGHEM MILITARY CEMETERY

The only other option (it doesnt give his parents) is the following

Name: PATTERSON
Initials: E
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Sapper
Regiment/Service: Royal Engineers
Unit Text: 96th Light Railway Operating Coy.
Date of Death: 30/12/1917
Service No: 276404
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: F. 67.
Cemetery: ALEXANDRIA (HADRA) WAR MEMORIAL CEMETERY

Does that look like him.
ceri

sorry but i will have to leave for now,as i am off to babysit my grandson,would be lovely to come back and find some great news.many thanks to all of you who have helped in my search.cheers and goodluck.
sue

hi ceri the only brothers i know about are ernest who died in ww1 and charles my g grandfather

It looks like she had a brother called William on 1891 census

Ceri

sorry reg for the confusion,both my g aunt and my grandmothers maiden names were both violet patterson,g aunt stayed a spinster.sorry sue

It is possible that the person who registered her death was not 100% on her date of birth (i have discovered this alot in my tree)
Ceri

could be ceri,could you find out if she had brothers called ernest and charles edward please

sorry but i think i've confussed you,it is charles and ernest's sister violet i am looking for the death details you have are correct.so if i'm right it's my g grandfathers sister

Susan

You've got me confused now.........lol!

You say Violet Patterson was your Aunt........then you say she was your grandmother!

And your other thread about these people states that Charles and Elizabeth didn't marry until 1904.

I think you need to do some double-checking.............

Reg

I have found a Violet Alice Patterson born in Newcastle T in 1890, is this possible?
Ceri

This is the only one in 1901 with parents Charles and Elizabeth but the birth year is out:

Name: Violet Patterson
Age: 14
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1887
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Gosport, Hampshire, England

Civil Parish: Brighton
Ecclesiastical parish: Brighton St Peter and West Blatchington St Peter
County/Island: Sussex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Brighton
Sub-registration district: West Brighton
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 98
Household Members: Name Age
Frances Ling 40
Charles Patterson 41
Elizabeth Patterson 35
Ida Patterson 2
Sydney Patterson 11
Violet Patterson 14
William Patterson 10

Charles is a professor of music so it is the same family that has already been found in 1891.

thanks for replying so quickly,yes that is her.my grandparents were william dunbar and violet patterson,her parents were charles edward patterson and elizabeth guy.sorry no proof that she was born in county durham,just what i've been told.the mainsforth terr.address was around the late 50's

Sorry, I missed the bit in your original question when you said she was a spinster!

There aren't any Violet Pattersons on the 1901 born 1891 +/- 5 years from Durham (or anywhere near there).

Sam x

Susan i found this on 1891 census, could this be her, with parents Elizabeth and Charles?

1891 census - household transcription
Person: PATTERSON, Violet M
Address: Whites Slip, Alverstoke, Forton

PATTERSON, Charles Head Married M 31 Musician
Notting Hill
London VIEW VIEW
PATTERSON, Elizabeth Wife Married F 24
India British Subject VIEW VIEW
PATTERSON, Violet M Daughter Single F 4
Gosport
Hampshire VIEW VIEW
PATTERSON, William E Son Single M 0 (5M)
Gosport
Hampshire VIEW VIEW

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
880 Folio:
6 Page:
5

Registration District:
Alverstoke Sub District:
Alverstoke EnumerationDistrict:
14 Ecclesiastical Parish:
St John

Civil Parish:
Alverstoke Municipal Borough:
Address:
Whites Slip, Alverstoke, Forton County:
Hampshire