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Still looking for Arthur's and Francis' birth's.

A quick recap on the what I have.

Death of Francis (twin of Arthur)
Francis died aged 11mths on the 29th April 1891, so birth has to be around Feb/Mar 1890.
The address was 53 Campbell Road, Islington

Mother was Ellen ???
Father was George Wright (deceased at time of Francis's death and also in 1891 census).

Ellen was living at 53 Campbell Road, Islington, London at the time of the census and also when Francis died. Having spoke to someone at Islington history centre, they had said that it was a road in which people were very keen to move awa from as soon as they could.

I have tried looking for birth's of the other children of Ellen and George, and I cannot for life of me find them in the 1881 census.

Have tried everything! And am now pretty close to spitting feathers!

I know this might be a silly question, has anyone been able to check findmypast for he's birth?

Definetly born in 1890

Still thinking of the deaths... which occupation sounds better?

Cane Chair Master or Tin Plate Worker?

I know that most people ie like myself when I got married chose the last decent job my dad had.
Construction Worker, rather than retired sounded better to me.

mmm, the mind boggles!

I can tell you it's not this one.

Deaths Jun 1890 (>99%)
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Wright George 42 Islington 1b 117

as I have a copy of this cert and it states occupation as Chair Cane Master, but was registered by Ellen Wright.. But he died 28th March 1890 at 167 Cottenham Road, Islington. (Looks like Cottenham Road).

Was gonna say that he died before conception, but my brain just kicked in and said no, it could be!

Have I got the dates right here? If the twins were born in May/June 1890 then they must have been conceived by September 1889? So assuming dad was in Islington when he died and was deceased by the time Francis died?


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Deaths Sep 1889 (>99%)
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Wright George 33 Islington 1b 149

Deaths Jun 1890 (>99%)
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Wright George 42 Islington 1b 117
Wright George 64 Islington 1b 128


Deaths Dec 1891 (>99%)
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Wright George 52 Islington 1b 175


Though I suppose he may have died elsewhere.


I still feel that this was a second husband for Ellen or I suppose a second marriage for George (because of the big gaps for the kids) but the fact both Ellen and the eldest girl is paralysed - well could be a coincidence I guess - hmm.

A journey man is like our self employed now (though def not as secure or with the same status!)- he was paid by the day, not employed permanently by any one employer.

I tried familysearch/IGI and found nothing for either of them... is there somewhere else I should be looking?

On Francis' death cert it states George was a Tin plate worker, journeyman deceased.

What exactly is a journeyman?

Hi there
Do you know what the occupation of George was and the location of the marriage and the dates of the marriage, I to have looked for the twins births and my assumption is that the ref for the birth of Arthur already given is him and they have written the wrong name down for Francis as the twin, Do you know about the LMA it is close to the FRC you can search for births, deaths, marriages & census records there for all of London. Its worth a try.
Jeanette

Just a small point:

If they're 10 months in March that puts them born May or early June.

Rose

had an idea (proberly a stupid one knowing me) baptisum

if they got baptised there would be a record and it would have dates and names and info

he he (i'm he he ing coz it actually might work)

what do you think?

Sorry Mellie but I don't, that is main reason for finding the birth so I can get both parent's details.
I could of gone for the marraige, as I said before my cousin has this cert and it doesn't give mother's name only father's.

I tried looking at marriage's between George Wright and Ellen, but without knowing a rough timescale it is hard to predict.

With only having the 1891 census to go on, I don't know if there are/were any more children born before Eliza (b.1874)
But with Ellen being born 1852c in Marylebone, and not knowing where George was born.. it is like a needle in a haystack.

I did a search on George Wright's marrying an Ellen between 1862 & 1876

Marriages Mar 1862 (>99%)
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Wright George Shoreditch 1c 248
Coveney Ellen Shoreditch 1c 248
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Marriages Sep 1873 (>99%)
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WRIGHT George Alfred C St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 703
Waterman Ellen St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 703
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Marriages Sep 1874 (>99%)
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Wright George Kensington 1a 79
Humphreys Ellen Eliza M A Kensington 1a 79


Now I agree I'm not the sharpest pencil in the case, but I'm ruling out the marriage in 1862 as my Ellen would of been 10 yrs old! But it's knowing which one of the 2 left are my great grandparents!

Otherwise I could be barking up the wrong tree.
My answer really lies in the birth cert!

really silly question do you know ellens surname

Why register a death if you haven't registered a birth?

It just doesn't seem right to me.

Saying that tho, my cousin mentioned that when Arthur died, they would of had to obtain a copy of he's birth to claim the one week pension... so it's got to be there somewhere!

No probs Mellie... as you say anything is worth a thought at the mo.

I've been banging my head over this for almost 2 months! So a few more isn't gonna hurt that much?
I hope!!

Kew doesnt hold BMDS. as yet. the records are being transferred over to them, from the FRC Islington , gradually starting Oct but these are the manual ledgers that contain the pages showing GRO refs you see on Ancestry and find my past.
I have searched Ancestry looking at the scanned copies of the ledger pages and nothing found.
There aren't any missing pages so would say they weren't registered

oh ok

well it was worth a thought

Don't think they would of changed he's name.

From death cert:
Francis died aged 11mths on the 29th April 1891, so birth has to be around Feb/Mar 1890.
The address was 53 Campbell Road, Islington

Do you think I might be able to get this info at Kew?

could francis have had a different name as the only twins i found were

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Births Jun 1891 (>99%)
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Wright Arthur Islington 1b 333
Wright Nellie Islington 1b 333

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Only 1x Male Wright born in London Sep 1890

Births Sep 1890 (>99%)
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Cox Annie Rosina St. Saviour 1d 11
Grubb Ema St. Saviour 1d 11
Harris Alfred John St. Saviour 1d 11
Harris Margaret Ellen St. Saviour 1d 11
Hillcock Susannah St. Saviour 1d 11
Rogers Philip Laurence St Saviour 1d 11
Sutton Elizabeth Mary St. Saviour 1d 11
Upton William Aaron St Saviour 1d 11
Wright Male St. Saviour 1d 11

Sorry Glitter, but i thought best to start new thread as I am looking for birth, And infact not much information was available then, so going over the 1891 census which is all we have the mo, is no big loss!

I tried looking for birth's on both of the twins, but nothing. Sorry for missing Thomas, compleetly forgot about him, but I wasn't loking for him in the other census' as he would not have been born in 1881.

I have all the information from the 1891 census, including being paralyzed from birth etc.

Shirley you are correct with the death of Francis, I also have this in a cert. Just the births are a mystery!

In answer to your query of the marriage cert... I don't personally have it, but my cousin who does has told me that it was definetly George Wright as father.
He's been looking for George's death and is coming up blank... neither of us can find information on our grandfather Arthur.