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I apolgise if I have posted this on the wrong bit of the boards, don't post often and I am unsure of the correct protocol.

To explain my problem though.

My maternal line is Travis, all born Liverpool as far as we can tell.

Fact.
William Henry Travis born 01/07/1906, Mislaid reference number so need to find it again so that I can order copy of birth cert. ( I moved house and packed my info!)

Fact
William Henry Travis married Florence Primrose Saphier (might be Primrose Florence but not important), Marriage cert held and recorded on FreeBMD too. The Saphier line is interesting and has been investigated by me previously.

Fact
William Henry's father is shown as William Henry on the marriage cert.

Fact or fiction? William Henry the elder married somebody with a last name of Melia? This is according to family folk lore :-)

FreeBMD doesn't seem to recognise it at the moment but, I have note of a previous FreeBMD reference of Sept Qtr 1897 Marriage, Elizabeth Melia, West Derby 8b 963, I dont understand why I cant get it now?

Fact or fiction, William Henry the elder father is called Thomas? Could have been on a census somewhere?

I seem to recall that a lot of Liverpool's info is available through a diferent website? Anybody got any information?

It's proving very difficult to get back past this point unless I just make assumptions and, as we all know, they can lead you straight up a blind alley.

Pls help as I am getting very frustrated aat not being able to find my reference points again.

Di

sorry geog bad its one of these

TRAVIS William Henry Prestwich.8d 313 1 1906
TRAVIS William Henry West Derby.8b 618 3 1906
TRAVIS William Henry C Wharfedale.9a 123 4 1906

Pretty sure it will be the West Derby birth.

There is a marriage in Sept. qtr. 1897 for Elizabeth Melia in West Derby. You have the correct numbers, but there is no matching entry for William Henry Travis in the same qtr.

Kath. x

this is the one you got but not to a travis she was married to

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1897 (>99%)
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MELIA Elizabeth W. Derby 8b 963
Roberts Frank W. Derby 8b 963
WAINWRIGHT Clara W. Derby 8b 963
Wright John W.Derby 8b 963

Yes, West Derby is an old registration district of Liverpool. Think the boundaries have changed at some time though . Will order that birth cert reference provided by Mellie :- and see what it reveals. Thanks.

Think I will be brave and order the Elizabeth Melia cert too, will be so disappointed if it proves a red herring lol.

Can anybody find anything out about her? I have tried before and not got anywhere.

Be great to finally prove the information on this line.

Di

Rumour has it that Elizabeth was married a few times. Think she may have married John Wright and then he either died or she divorced (not common then though), thing is, if she married Mr Wright (pardon the pun) maybe I might find an Elizabeth Wright marriage to William Henry in Free BMD? What do you think? I understand that she may have married3 time because there is a possibility that William Henry the elder died young too.

Oh how I wish someof the family were still around to ask!!!!

Di

hi ya i would wast your money on the wed cert as it said she married either a Roberts or a Wright

i would wait for the birth cert to come through

william (dad) could of ben married to a melia but she could of married before him and married under her first married name instead of maiden name.

i say wait see what the birth says and we can then look for the correct marraige (or two) rather then waste your money.

mellie

I think this is Elizabeth Melia after her marriage

1901 England Census
about Elizabeth Wright
Name: Elizabeth Wright
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Liverpool, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: West Derby
Ecclesiastical parish: Edge Hill St Stephen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: West Derby, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 63
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 79
Household Members:
Name Age
Elizabeth Wright 26
Elizabeth Wright 10 months
Frederick Wright 2
John Wright 30

looking for you now

So exciting :-)

and heres the one you want

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1906 (>99%)
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BLENKINSOP Benjamin M W. Derby 8b 1007
TRAVIS William Henry W. Derby 8b 1007
Wormald Isabella West Derby 8b 1007
Wright Elizabeth W.Derby 8b 1007

Look at this in 1906

Record
Benjamin M Blenkinsop 1906 Jul-Aug-Sep West Derby Lancashire
View Record
William Henry Travis 1906 Jul-Aug-Sep West Derby Lancashire
View Record
Isabella Wormald 1906 Jul-Aug-Sep West Derby Lancashire
View Record
Elizabeth Wright 1906 Jul-Aug-Sep West Derby Lancashire

Liz

Brilliant! Will order William Henry and see what it says but hey, skeleton just popped out of closet if it is proven lol!

Sept 1906 qtr? William Henry Junior was registered in June 1906.

And what one earth happened to the two other babies fathered by John Wright? Grandad never mentioned them at all.

Funny isnt it? The more questions you answer the more questions you get.

Di

ok as far as biths go these are the only three that came up so i'm thinking that melia wasn't her maiden name either as the closest is 5 years out

MELIA Elizabeth Birmingham.6d 92 1 1869
MELIA Elizabeth Bolton.8c 340 4 1870
MELIA Elizabeth Ann Manchester.8d 132 2 1868

lolxx

skeletons - closet more like

graveyard working this all out

lol

one pos

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Mar 1894 (>99%)
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Bates Elizabeth Ann W. Derby 8b 718
Corcoran John W. Derby 8b 718
Hodgson Margaret W. Derby 8b 718
Melia Michael W. Derby 8b 718

and another

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Jun 1896 (>99%)
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Bostock Elizabeth Liverpool 8b 274
McCall Francis Liverpool 8b 274
MELIA Patrick Liverpool 8b 274
NORTON Ellen Liverpool 8b 274

i know the seconed is colse to the other marriage but you never know??

There is this birth

about Elizabeth Melia
Name: Elizabeth Melia
Year of Registration: 1878
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: West Derby
County: Lancashire
Volume: 8b
Page: 459 (click to see others on page)

That could stack with the family theory that she married 3 times but blimey, it would seem that she wasn't very lucky in love if that was the case.

So, I am now looking for somebody Melia marrying an Elizabeth somebody lol. How long is our piece of string? And, this poor Melia person possibly dying prior to 1901 (her marriage date to John Wright) and I suppose we might find John Wright dying prior to 1906 when it appears she may have married William Travis?

Is it always this complicated?

Di

why didn't that one come up on mine???

thats it i'm not using this one any more i going to use the free one instead it seams to be better

*sulking now*

Just a thought, anybody know how to track if somebody got divorced?

Di