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I am stuck with my gggrandfather and his family! And have been unable to find any of them on the 1851 Census to help solve various problems.

He may have died around 1850 or 51, but the others reappear in 1861!

This is what I know:-

Benjamin Schofield, b.???, Lancashire??, married ca 1835 (maybe!), mechanic
Sarah Schofield, b. ca 1813,??Oldham, maiden name possibly Ashton
William Schofield, b. ca 1837, Oldham, Machine Fitter, married Abigail ca. 1860 (??Abigail Nield)
Samuel Schofield, b. 1846, Oldham, married Hannah Garside 1880 (my gggrandparents) <<< sorry! should be ggrands
James Schofield, b. 1849, Oldham
Joshua Schofield, b. 1850, Oldham.

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This MAY be the family in 1841

Benjn Schofield abt 1816 Lancashire, England Prestwich Cum Oldham Lancashire Mechanic
James Schofield abt 1839 Lancashire, England Prestwich Cum Oldham Lancashire (haven't found him since this census)
Sarah Schofield abt 1816 Lancashire, England Prestwich Cum Oldham Lancashire
William Schofield abt 1837 Lancashire, England Prestwich Cum Oldham Lancashire
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1861 Census

Ellis Grime 58 Lodger, Lab Machine Worker
Louis P Jones 28 Lodger, Mechanic Cotton Mill
Joshua Schofield 11 b. ca 1850, Oldham, Scholar
Samuel Schofield 14 b. ca 1847, Oldham, Machine Maker
Sarah Schofield 48 b. ca 1813, Oldham, Beer Seller
Sarah Ann Schofield 18 b. ca 1843, Oldham, Servant
(haven't had her before or after this census!)

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1871 Census

Sarah Schofield 58 Head wid Mechanics widow, b. Oldham
Abigail Schofield 35 d-i-l mar b. Oldham
William Schofield 34 son mar Machine Fitter b. Oldham
Samuel Schofield 24 son sin Machine Fitter b.Oldham
Joshua Schofield 21 son sin Machine Fitter b.Oldham
Benjamin Schofield 5 gson Scholar b. Oldham
William Schofield 3 gson Scholar b. Oldham
John Schofield 1 gson b. Oldham

Address: 25 Sussex Street, Westwood, Oldham

Can anyone help me by finding them on the 1851???

sylvia.


Thanks to Andy ................... all found!

Hi Sylvia,
Is this them?

Joshua Schofield
Age: 11 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1850
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Hannah
Gender: Male
Where born: Pudsey, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Pudsey
Ecclesiastical parish: Pudsey St Lawrence
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bradford
Sub-registration district: Calverley
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 67
Household Members: Name Age
George Schofield 6
Hannah Schofield 31
Joshua Schofield 11 Mo
Matthew Schofield 3
Samuel Schofield 37


Regards vera

Hi Vera,

sorry no ............ I've been caught by them before!

They were all definitely born in Oldham, Lancashire.

Benjamin's wife is Sarah, and I have a feeling she is a widow by the 1851 census .... although I can't find Benjamin's death.

sylvia.

Hi Sylvia,

Back to the drawing board !!!! :-)

Regards Vera

Vera,

I've been around the hills and everywhere with these on the 1851.

I think there has been a really really bad mistranscription, but I can't pull the rabbit out of the hat!!

I think Sarah Schofield was Sarah Ashton before she married, but I can't find the marriage to prove that.


And Schofield is such a common name in the area!


sylvia

1851 Census

Sad to say but I think their census details may be damaged or destroyed, if you put in the following you will be a seriously damaged census page for Oldham, and see what I mean

Type surname Shero and HO107; Piece: 2241; Folio: 783; Page: 36;

Also one of these may possibly be your Benjamin

Deaths Dec 1851 (>99%)
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Schofield Benjamin Oldham 20 647

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Deaths Sep 1854 (>99%)
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Schofield Benjamin Oldham 8d 398

I guess you've already found William c1837 with his grandparents in 1851.

Ozi.

What about this?

1851:
Name: Sarah Schofield
Age: 39
Estimated birth year: abt 1812
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Selly, Yorkshire, England

Civil parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: St James
Town: Mumps
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: Paddy Row

Occupation: weaver

Condition as to marriage: married

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1p
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 99
Household Members: Name Age
Sarah Schofield 39
James Schofield 11 - piecer; b. Oldham

Piece 2241, same as William with his grandparents. William p20, Sarah & James p24.

Ozi.

ozi

NO I hadn't!

and I still can't!!


can you give me the reference please?


sylvia

ozi,

it's a possible, that I have looked at before

but there has never been any other rference to Sarah being born in Yorkshire, and the James thta apears on censuses after the 1841 was apparently bron in 1849, so he should be 2 in 1851.


sylvia

Carrie,

I fear you may be right ................ but I'm really hoping not!


I have seen those deaths, but I was hoping to find the 1851 census to see whether Benjamin was still alive! I guess I will have to bite the bullet and send off for both those certificates!


sylvia

But James was b1839 in 1841 census.

Ozi.

This is scarey! He's a mechanic.

1851:
Name: Benjamin Schofield
Age: 38
Estimated birth year: abt 1813
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Glossop, Derbyshire, England

Civil parish: Oldham
Ecclesiastical parish: Waterhead
Town: Waterhead Mill
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Street address: New Bank

Occupation: Mechanick??

Condition as to marriage: mar

Registration district: Oldham
Sub-registration district: Oldham
ED, institution, or vessel: 1y
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 89
Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Schofield 38
Mary Ann Schofield 36 wife; dressmaker
Mary Lavina Schofield 15
Miles Schofield 8
Mary Alice Schofield 3

Piece 2241, p 25.

I know!


you can see why I'm going round in circles!!


I think James b. 1839 on the 1841 census died, BUT I only found the birth registration for James born 1849 today on Lancashire bmd .................. James Schofield mmn Ashton, which is the same as Samuel and Joshua.

I cannot find William's birth, so assume it was before September 1837. Nor can I find a James b. ca 1839 mmn Ashton.


Nor can I find a marriage of Schofield/Ashton upto and including 1861.


sylvia

Sorry,


I have to go out for a couple of hours.

Thanks for all your help!!


sylvia

Hi ozi,

I've just looked at that William Schofield, at least I think I have found the one you are referring to.

As I read it, there are 2 William Schofields in the household headed by Joseph and Sarah Schofield.

1. William Schofield b ca 1837, is their son

2. William Schofield b. ca 1850 is their grandson, son of parents Thomas and Mary Schofield.


don't think he's mine!


thank you


sylvia

Hi Carrie,

I had a look at that damaged page.

I think Shero is actually ------head, and he is a Police Constable. Don't think mine was ever that!

The surnames on the rest of the page seemed quite clear, and none of them resembled Schofield.



sylvia

hi sylvia as mentioned before this is probrably a transcription error try a different spelling [drop the o ] if that doesent work [drop the e in field]so you are looking at schfeld and schofeld i had the same problem with a family and found them under a different spelling and of course all the family were the same as a previouse census but ten years older it is allso possible to see the actual census in the county library???

Charles,

I have tried literally everything that I can think of over the last 3 to 4 years!

I found my ggrandfather on a later census as Silufield, and almost always begin by searching for Schof*, then I got to christian name only.

The search for ggggrandfather included finally dropping ALL names and just entering birth year and county, and scrolling through hundreds of results!

Nothing turned up that fits any kind of mistranscription of Schofield. Nada!

I'm wondering whether in fact they may have been "given" another name by the census taker, or whoever reported the names of inhabitants of a house ..... but that means looking at the actual image of literally thousands and thousands of names.

I live in Canada so it is a little difficult for me to get to the UK libraries etc. But the images are available on the internet on ancestry and some other sites, and I do always check the image for everyone I'm looking for.


Thanks for your suggestions.


sylvia