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Joanne
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9 Oct 2007 16:56 |
I am trying to find my g.g grandfather. I have found his marriage to Alice Patrick in Rotherham in 1872 and have found him with the family on the 1891 and 1901 census, however, I can't trace his birth nor can I trace him on any other census.
I have found his death in Leeds in 1912 which shows his estimated birth year as 1853. On the 1891 census it shows him being born c1848 in Glossop and on the 1901 census it shows him being born c1854 in Glossop.
Where was he until 1891? He was married in 1872 but missing from the family on the 1881 census. I am also unable to trace his birth and cannot trace him as a boy on any census.
Any ideas would be really really appreciated. I'm coming to the end of my tether on this one!!
Thanks everyone, Joanne.
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Joanne
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9 Oct 2007 16:58 |
DOH.........that's how it's got me!!! His name might help you.
Matthew Kellett.
Thanks, Joanne.
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GlitterBaby
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9 Oct 2007 17:05 |
1891 just for ref
Name: Mathew Kellett Age: 43 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Alice Gender: Male Where born: Glossop, Derbyshire, England Civil Parish: Leeds Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints Town: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: South East Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 33 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Alice Kellett 38 Leeds Arthur Kellett 17 Leeds Ellen Kellett 2 James Kellett 13 Leeds John Kellett 15 Leeds Mary A Kellett 4 Mathew Kellett 43 Mathew Kellett 8
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Paul
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9 Oct 2007 17:05 |
The only birth that has come up on freebmd is
Births Mar 1858 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kellett Matthew Dewsbury 9b 427
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GlitterBaby
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9 Oct 2007 17:09 |
1881 poss as same occupation as 1891
Name: Matthew Ridett Age: 33 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1848 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Glossop, Yorkshire, England Civil Parish: Barmbrough County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address: Melton Street Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View Image Occupation: Engine Tenter Registration district: Doncaster Sub-registration district: Barmbrough ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age James Doharty 25 John Doharty 22 Thomas Doharty 60 J.Wm.F. Lidgett 32 Mary Lidgett 30 Mary Amelia Lidgett 4 Matthew Ridett 33 Will need to check image
Listed as married but does look it begins with R
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GlitterBaby
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9 Oct 2007 17:12 |
1871 poss
Name: Matthew Kellet Age: 22 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1849 Relation: Visitor Gender: Male Where born: Glossop, Lancashire, England Civil Parish: Leeds Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen Town: Leeds County/Island: Yorkshire Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View Image Registration district: Leeds Sub-registration district: North Leeds ED, institution, or vessel: 55 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 157 Household Members: Name Age Mary Coop 29 Mary A Coop 1 Thomas Coop 29 Matthew Kellet 22 Catherine William 33 Emma William 7 Isabella William 9 John William 33 Mary E William 10 Not sure what occupation but staying with an engine driver
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GlitterBaby
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9 Oct 2007 17:19 |
Do you have the marriage cert?
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Joanne
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9 Oct 2007 17:32 |
Thank you so much Glitter Baby. I'm convinced that both of these are him (1871 and 1881 census).
No, I don't have the marriage certificate, but I suppose that's my next step. At least then I'll have a father's name to go back with.
Thanks for looking Paul. 1858 seems a little far forward, but you never know. I've learnt not to take anything for granted when looking at these records!
Joanne.
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Joanne
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18 Oct 2007 14:52 |
OK, I now have the marriage certificate.
2nd September 1872. Married in the parish of Greasbrough, Rotherham reg district.
Matthew Kellett, full age, bachelor, engine tenter, residence at time of marriage Greasbrough. Father's name Matthew Kellett, Bricklayer.
The witnesses were Robert Foster and Kate Williams. This could be the Catherine William on the 1871 census.
After looking at the marriage certificate I'm still at a loss. I can't find Matthew living with his father Matthew and still can't find a birth for him. I'm assuming now that he's been born under a different surname, perhaps he was illegitimate.
Any ideas on where I can go from here? I don't know what to look at next.
Joanne.
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Joanne
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2 Nov 2007 11:53 |
On the marriage certificate it shows that Matthew Kellett's father was also called Matthew Kellett.
I have found a Matthew Kellett born c1829 on the 1851 census, married to Marrianne and living with her parent's Stephen and Ann Pearson. It seems that Marrianne or Mary Ann died in 1855 and later that same year Matthew married Sarah Ann Rawnsley.
Matthew and Sarah are shown on the 1861 census with their children Harriett, Hannah, Eliza and Arthur.
If this Matthew Kellett is my Matthew Kellett's father then where is my Matthew on the census?
The only conclusion that I can come to (as I can't find a birth for my Matthew Kellett) is that he was born out of wedlock and has taken his mother's surname at birth and changed it to Kellett as he got older.
Is there any way that I am going to be able to trace his birth or is this the end of the line?
Thanks, Joanne.
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Joanne
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2 Nov 2007 12:08 |
Thanks Janice.
I have Matthew's place of birth off the census's as Glossop, which I believe would have come under the Hayfield district.
I can't find him at all on the 1861 census, or the 1851 census (if he was born by then).
Joanne.
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Carrie
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2 Nov 2007 12:18 |
This may help you..
Marriages Dec 1850 (>99%) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kellett Matthew Dewsbury 22 54 Pearson Mary Ann Dewsbury 22 54
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Joanne
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2 Nov 2007 12:24 |
Thanks Carrie,
I have found this marriage, and also his subsequent marriage in 1855 to Sarah Ann Rawnsley. What I'm unable to find is if this is my Matthew Kellett's father.
I have Matthew Kellett, born somewhere between 1847 and 1855 in Glossop. He married Alice Patrick in 1872 in Rotherham. The marriage certificate shows his father as Matthew Kellett, but I am unable to find my Matthew on the 1861 census or the 1851 census (if he was born then).
Matthew Kellett born c1829 in Wike maybe his father, but I can't find any proof of this, nor can I find a birth entry for my Matthew.
Thanks, Joanne.
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jansmith
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2 Nov 2007 12:27 |
Hi deleted post because i found that one with parents on census
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jansmith
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2 Nov 2007 12:35 |
Kellett Matthew Dewsbury 9b 427 Births Mar 1858 any good??
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Joanne
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2 Nov 2007 12:38 |
Afraid not Janice. I know that he married in 1872, so this would have made him 14 when he married.
Thanks for looking, Joanne.
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Joanne
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2 Nov 2007 17:52 |
Any other ideas please?
Joanne.
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WayneTracey
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2 Nov 2007 18:36 |
Joanne he may have given an incorrect age when he married!
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Joanne
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3 Nov 2007 10:21 |
Wayne,
There isn't an age on the marriage certificate, it just says 'full age'.
The date on the certificate is 02/09/1872, so if he was born in 1858 he would have only been 14 when he married.
The 1871 census shows his birth year as c1849, the 1881 and 1891 census's show c1848, the 1901 census shows c1854, and the death entry in 1912 shows c1853.
I've searched and searched for a birth for him but I'm at a loss as I can't find a birth entry anywhere.
Anyone got any other ideas?
Thanks, Joanne.
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ErikaH
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3 Nov 2007 10:28 |
He may not have been a 'Kellett' when he was born...........
The declared father's name on the marriage cert is not proof of paternity.........
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