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Hi Sylvia
Thanks for your time & effort. I had located "most" of thisb but as you say it is circumstantial evidence.
I already have 1c - 94 and that is not him.
I don't think I have found the other 2, so will investigate and let you know. Our family data is on our web site that I produce at www.familytreeweb.co.uk.
Best regards
Dave Lee UK
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and here are the two Josephs on the 1881 Census
1881 Census
Name: Joseph Lee
Age: 40
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah A.
Gender: Male
Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St John Hackney
County/Island: London
Country: England
Street address: 50 Hertford Rd
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: Labourer At Lime Wharf (Lime Burner)
Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 22a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
George Glasco 21 son-in-law, Chair & Couch Maker
Sarah A. Glasco 20 daughter
Charlotte Homs 5 Boarder
Emma Homs 28 "
Sarah Homs 3 "
William Homs 29 "
Caroline Lee 11
George J. Lee
Joseph Lee 40
Joseph Lee 18 Labourer at Lime Wharf
Robert Lee 8
Sarah A. Lee 40
William Lee 11
Address:- 50 Hertford Road
These censuses both ahve Joseph Lee with parents Joseph and Sarah
so that is circumstantial evidence.
Now you need his birth certificate for the proof.
sylvia
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Possible marriage of Joseph senior
Marriages Jun 1861 (>99%)
House Ann Shoreditch 1c 339
Lee Joseph Shoreditch 1c 339
Getting this certificate will give you the names of the two fathers and their occupations.
sylvia
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To get the definitive proof you HAVE to buy his birth certificate. You will not be able to prove it without the certificate.
There were actually 3 Joseph Lee born in Shoreditch in 1863 and 1864!
Births Mar 1863 (>99%)
LEE Joseph Shoreditch 1c 94
Births Mar 1864 (>99%)
LEE Joseph Shoreditch 1c 189
Births Jun 1864 (>99%)
LEE Joseph Charles Shoreditch 1c 206
To order a certificate, go to www.gro.gov.uk, click on Ordering Certificates Online in the box to the right of the screen, follow instructions. It will ask if you ahve the GRO reference number, say YES, the numbers are to the right of Shoreditch, eg 1c 94 for the March 1863 Joseph.
Each certificate will cost £7
sylvia
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BUT BUT
on the 1871 Census there is young Joseph with Joseph and Ann??
1871 Census
Name: Joseph Lee
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Clerkenwell, Middlesex, England
Civil Parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew Hoxton
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Haggerston West
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 556
Household Members: Name Age
Ann Lee 33 b.ca 1838, Clerkenwell
Ann Lee 8 b.ca 1863, Shoreditch
Caroline Lee 2 b.ca 1869, Shoreditch
Joseph Lee 25 Carman
Joseph Lee 7 b.ca 1864, Shoreditch
Address:- 6 Barretts Buildings, Shoreditch
sylvia
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Joseph Lee b~: 1841 and his wife Ann Sarah xxxx b~: 1841
Both in Clerkenwell. had 6 children.
1871 census living at 6 Barretts Buildings, in Shoreditch
1881 at 50 Hertford Road, Hackney.
they had 6 known children:-
JOSEPH WILLIAM LEE (2), born 1st quarter 1863 Shoreditch.
living at 7 Collingwood Place, Bethnal Green. Married Kate Elizabeth White.
This Joseph is my Gt. Grandfather. I think the previous Joseph
and Ann Sarah are his parents but can find no definate link.
Can anyone help please
Dave.
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