Hi Peeps I am wondering if anyone can help me. I am trying to find info on my gg grandmother Catherine Derrell born Greg Greg NSW Australia. She married Septymus Walter Edwards. On their marriage certificate it has listed that the "step father of the bride" ... Isaac Ballard gave written consent for the marriage. I have no idea about finding anything on him or Catherines mother Charlotte Golder. All of these people died in Australia, I dont know where any of them were born except Catherine. It was either Victoria or NSW these people would have lived. I was wondering if by some miracle someone could help me. That is all I know of them. thanks for your time in reading this.
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Hi Heather. These below may explain why Catherine's marriage had "step father of the bride" as a BALLARD.
DERRELL, Cath CM 245633 Marriage Spouse: EDWARDS, Septimus Walt Marriage Place: N.S.W. Reg Year: 1888 Reg State: Victoria ( Registered in Victoria ) Ref Number: 6954
Birth found in Victoria: DERRELL, William Walter CB 524384 Birth Father: U Mother: Derrell Catherine Event Place: Barnawarth Reg Year: 1888 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 8653 ************************************************** Marriage N.S.W of Charlotte GOLDING/GOLDER.?
DERRELL, Walter CM 245635 Marriage Spouse: GOLDING, Charlotte Index Year: 1868 Reg Year: 1868 District: WOLLONGONG Reg State: New South Wales Ref Number: 3666
Possible 2nd Marriage of Charlotte.
DERRELL, Charlotte CM 245634 Marriage Spouse: BYATT, Rupert Index Year: 1872 Reg Year: 1872 District: ALBURY Reg State: New South Wales Ref Number: 1354
***************************************** . Possible 3rd marriage of Charlotte to a BALLARD Byatt could be mis-spelt as Baytt....Byett.
BALLARD, Israel CM 35673 Marriage Spouse: BAYTT, Charlotte Reg Year: 1883 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 2102
Cheers. Tony ( Victoria Aus. ) ps. If you purchase one of Charlotte's marraige cert. it possibly will tell you her birth place....and parents ( hopefully )
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Tony, Thank you so very much for the info, now I have some leads to go on. I really appreciate your help. Thank you once again. Heather
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Hi Heather. Strange that you never received Email...?
I have posted the info you asked for here. GR only allow 5,000 letters..so had to break it into two posts.
If you need a follow up on anything.
The births registry for Vic.is http://www.dvc.vic.gov.au/bdm.htm I cant be sure about purchasing a BDM cert by other than credit card, as i purchase all mine by credit card on line. I think you should be able to purchase one by Checque or other means by downloadin an "Application form " but it may be best to ring the BDM register to check. Here is a little more info on your Family tree ( below ) I am going away on holidays to Darwin during this week, so if you reply later than thursday i wont be here, so dont think I'm not reponding to your email. It appears your family Ancestors had many half siblings, and it may be wise to purchase certain Certs to confirm this. Marriage and Death Certs are good as they are very informative to whom was whom. Well...i will leave you to decipher all this. Best wishes for now. Tony. Half brother of Catherine ( Isacc israel BALLARD ) married in Vic. in 1909.(below ) If you noticed his birth place CORR ( CORRYONG )1883 i posted above, you will notice he states his birth here on Marriage Index ( Corryong )so preety sure this is his marriage, even though its listed as Issac hiven Ballard.If you want to follow up on any children....let me know. Marriage Victoria: Surname: BALLARD Given Names: Hiven Isaac Event: M Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: MCKENZIE Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Flora Age: Age Code: Birth Place: CORRYONG Death Place: Year: 1909 Reg. Number: 6372 ****************************************************** Walter Wiliam DERRELL: Most likely Illegitimate.? DERRELL, William Walter CB 524384 Birth Father: U Mother: Derrell Catherine Event Place: Barnawarth Reg Year: 1888 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 8653 CAN FIND NO MARRIAGE FOR WALTER WILLIAM DERRELL, BUT IF YOU PURCHASE HIS DEATH CERT.(below ) IT SHOULD HAVE SPOUSE ( if any ) AND ALSO ANY DEAD OR SURVIVING CHILDREN LISTED. EVEN THOUGH AGE IS WRONG AT DEATH, MY OWN EXPERIANCE TELLS ME THAT SOMETIMES ON DEATH INDEX's THAT WHOEVER FILLED OUT HIS DEATH CERT MAY NOT HAVE KNOWN HIS AGE AT TIME OF DEATH, SO THEY USE AN EDUCATED GUESS. DEATHS VICTORIA 1920 to 1985 Surname: DERRELL Given Names: Walter William Father: Unknown Mother: UNKNOWN Death Place: HEID ( Heidleberg ) Age: 63 Age Code: Year: 1957 Reg Number: 6792 Event: D ********************************************
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No DERRELL DEATHS FOUND ON VICTORIA PIONEER INDEX, BUT A WALTER DERRILL DEATH FOUND ( Poss: Mispelt for Derrell.? ) DEATHS VIC. PIONEER INDEX:1840 to 1888 DERRILL,Walter Father: U Place of Birth: Lond ( London ) Age:37 Reg Year: 1871 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 5268 *********************************************** MATHEW DERRELL: Found birth in N.S.W under DERELL Surname:DERELL Given name: MATHEW Fath:WALTER Moth:CHARLOTTE District: FORBES Reg No:12121/1868 Marriage found in Victoria "Federation" years. 1889 to 1901 Surname: DERRELL Given Names: Mat Chas Event: M Sex: M Spouse Surname/Father: BURCH Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jessie Jane Age: Age Code: Birth Place: N S W Death Place: Year: 1893 Reg. Number: 1401 CHILDREN TO ABOVE found Registered Victoria. Surname: DERRELL Given Names: Fran Amelia Event: B Sex: F Spouse Surname/Father: Mat Chas Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jessie Jane BURCH Age: Age Code: Birth Place: RWORTH ( Rushworth ) Death Place: Year: 1894 Reg. Number: 6722 Surname: DERRELL Given Names: Mat Wm Walt Event: B Sex: M Spouse Surname/Father: Mat Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane BURCH Age: Age Code: Birth Place: GRANYA Death Place: Year: 1896 Reg. Number: 11937 ***************************************** Possible 2nd marriage of Mathew DERRELL.....Victoria( Note birth place is N.S.W ) same as marriage to Jessie BURCH. I dont think this marriage is Mathews son "Mathew walter william DERRELL" b.1896 as he would have only been 13 years old in 1909. Surname: DERRELL Given Names: Mathw Event: M Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: MCKENZIE Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jessie Age: Age Code: Birth Place: NSW Death Place: Year: 1909 Reg. Number: 6371R Cannot find a death of Jessie/Jane DERRELL ( Nee BURCH )Mathews first wife.....but found a Jane BURCH death ( below )in 1903 and it may be her but index'd under her maiden name.? Death registered Victoria. Surname: BURCH Given Names: Jane Event: D Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: Unknown Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Unknown UNKNOWN Age: 59 Age Code: Birth Place: Death Place: Melb E H ( Possibly means East Melb Hospital or Hotham ) Year: 1903 Reg. Number: 6533 ********************************************** David DERRELL/EDWARDS Catherine DERRELL and Septimus walter EDWARDS There was a birth for a David james EDWARDS in Victoria 1884. Father was Septimus walter EDWARDS ...but mother was Bridget ellen NONLAN........Perhaps Septimus walter was widowed when he married Catherine DERREL in 1888 and had children from 1st marriage that Catherine DERRELL adopted or took in as her own.? ************************************************ Charlotte GOLDING and Rupert BYATT Two births registered in Victoria: ( Possible Twins..? going by Reg No:.... but also remembering Registration..year does not neccesarily mean birth year.
TOWONG is approx 100km's East of Albury....and not far from Corryong.( Birth place of Isacc israel BALLARD ) BYATT, Charlotte Amelia CB 279013 Birth Father: U Mother: Byatt Charl Event Place: Towong Reg Year: 1880 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 21788 BYATT, Walter CB 279044 Birth Father: U Mother: Byatt Charl Event Place: Towong Reg Year: 1880 Reg State: Victoria Ref Number: 21787
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