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Lottie and Polena Teresa are mine.They are Karl's daughter's. Lottie is my grandmother. Polena Teresa died in America aged 22 or 23 I believe in 1932. I dont know how she died, but have a letter dated Sept,1932 from the British Consulate General, New York stating Polena was interred in the city cemetery, Harts Island, New York. I dont know whether they tried to bring the body back to england or not. Again, I know very little about this family and my grandmother spoke very little about them whilst she was alive.
I wrote to the cemetery that Karl is interred in to see if there was a head stone that may have helped, but he was buried in a common grave with no head stone.
I will certainly have a look at what you have found and see if there are any possible siblings.

Here's one other thing I'd do.

Go to

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

and just search for all births, marriages and deaths for the surname Hell -- focusing on the later years, of course.

In reading through the results, you can probably spot the ones that are mistranscriptions of Hill. I have a Hill mystery of my own, and it was a while before I realized someone could actually mistranscribe a simple English surname like that. Several hundred times in the census databases.

Then, if you want to throw a bit of cash at the problem, you might order a certificate for someone like:


Marriages Jun 1893
Arpert Louis Friedrich P Shoreditch 1c 250
Atkinson Mary Theresa Shoreditch 1c 250
>>> Hell Emma Lina Shoreditch 1c 250
WALKER Edwin Shoreditch 1c 250


Right area ... could be an elder syster. If the father's name matches, you have a batch of potential cousins to track down.

Another one might be:


Marriages Sep 1908
FULLWOOD Millicent Agnes Strand 1b 1288
>>> HELL Anna Strand 1b 1288
KUNBERGER Augusta Strand 1b 1288
KUNBERGER Hedwig Augusta W Strand 1b 1288
MEYER Walter Strand 1b 1288
VON HRADECZKY Rudolf Strand 1b 1288


A birth that might be related:

Births Mar 1891 (died aged 3)
Hell Victor Karl Stepney 1c 470


Are Lottie and Polina Teresa born in Hackney yours?


Actually, that one marriage was a remarriage:


Name: Emma Lina Katte + Friedrich Heinrich Hell
Year of Registration: 1883
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: London City
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 97


In 1891 she is widowed and she and her sister (oops, cousin) Elizabeth Katte are shown as born in England:

F Behuendt 33 born in Germany
Adelaide L Hell 5
Emma L Hell 25
Eva B Hell 3
Fred H Hell 1
Victor C Hell 9 weeks
Elizabeth Kattle 15


Well now here's interesting. In 1881, Emma with her widowed mother:


Name: Adelaide Katte
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1837
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Germany

Civil Parish: St Botolph
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 15 John Street
Condition as to marriage: Widower
Occupation: ** Hairdresser **

Registration district: London City
Sub-registration district: St Botolph
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Wilhelm Denkert 20
Adelbert Drieselman 28
Elizabeth Fordham 65
Adelaide Katte 44
Albert Katte 14
Betty Katte 17
Emma Katte 15
Henry Katte 19
Julius Katte 8
Frederick Kretzschman 26
Henry Wiseloh 19


Emma Lina Katte, whose mother was a hairdresser born in Germany, married Friedrich Heinrich Hell in 1883.

And wouldn't you know it: I check the 1891 image, and Emma is a hairdresser too. As is F. Behueudt(?) in her household.


A woman with German parents who is a hairdresser marries a man named Hell. I'd want to see what his occupation and father's name were on the marriage certificate!


Just some leads that might be dead ends, but might go somewhere.

Thanks I'll give it a go! My only other option is to wait for the 1911 Census!!!!

Well, I'd consider that Mr. Heller. Carl is an anglicization of Karl, and he may have used that spelling. He could have altered his surname, or errors could have been made.

He's German born, he's a hairdresser, he's within a year or two of the right age, and he lives in London.

(Just out of curiosity, I searched the 1881 census for hairdressers born in Germany, and there were 218, counting hairdressers' apprentices and the odd hairdresser's wife.)

I'm afraid you're stuck with an awfully common German name and no info about where he came from -- which is of course what you're looking for. Finding him in the 1901 with family would have been nice, but it's equally likely he wasn't in England at the time, and his father never was. His father was likely Johannes Hell, anglicized for Karl's marriage certificate.

If you ask at the Records Office or Tips board, you might find someone who knows something about German genealogy who could give you a boost!

First maybe just google "german genealogy" (in quotation marks like that) and check out what's available on line.

http://www.cyndislist.com/germany.htm

for starters!

thanks again for looking Kathryn, but I really dont have anything else to go by. I have his marriage cert and death cert. I have no living relatives that can tell me about him or where he came from, whether he had brothers or sisters. I was led to believe that he was German. He died in the German Hospital in Darlston, London.

It says "Heller", and he's a hairdresser:


Name: Carl Haller
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Head
Gender: Male
Where born: German, Germany

Civil Parish: St Pancras
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: St Pancras
Sub-registration district: Gray's Inn Lane
ED, institution, or vessel: 11
Household schedule number: 109


Getting warm??

So, a hairdresser. Nothing else you aren't telling us??

It does just so help to know what one is looking for ...

Not sure if they are a match unless he changed his profession!
According to the marriage cert Karl was a hair dresser. His father John, is listed as a boot maker.
So not sure where to look again, has anyone got any ideas?

How about this guy in 1901?


Name: Carl Halle
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: German Subject, Germany

Civil Parish: Stoke Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: London
Country: England
Occupation: Commercial Clerk

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: Stoke Newington
ED, institution, or vessel: 1
Household schedule number: 246

Elizabeth Armstrong 65
Carl Halle 22
Eliza Harley 26
Max Heingaertuer 32
Hermann Wolff 24


All but the landlady Elizabeth and servant Eliza were born in Germany. Many others on that census page were born abroad as well. Karl's father may well not have been in England at any time -- Karl could have been there for his employment, e.g.

There is also this fellow, whose surname is not really decipherable -- H-e-something:


Name: Carl Hey
Age: 24
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Boarder
Gender: Male
Where born: Russia R Subj
Civil Parish: Shoreditch
Ecclesiastical parish: St Leonard Shoreditch
County/Island: London
Country: England
Occupation: Cabinetmaker
Registration district: Shoreditch
Sub-registration district: Shoreditch South
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 40

Carl Hey 24
Adolf Speicher 2
Jesefa Speicher 22
Mary Speicher 6 months
Rudolf Speicher 30
Antoine Stargwiki 40


If either of those occupations jibes with what's on his marriage certificate, you might be in luck.

I'm struggling to find my G-Grandfather Karl Hell's place of birth. From his death certificate he died at the age of 37 in 1914, making his DOB year abt 1877.He died in the German Hospital in Dalston, London.
He married my G-Grandmother Charlotte Keetch in 1907, and it details his father's name as John Hell. They lived in Shoreditch/Stoke Newington.
I can not seem to find him listed on any census and I am led to believe he came from Prussia, but not 100% on that but dont know where to begin looking for him!

Can anybody help find him please.

many thanks