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I'd still get the marriage certificate first, or at least contemporaneously! -- just to make sure of Sarah's father's name, to match up with the birth certificate. You know she's the one in the marriage record, just can't be sure she's the one in the birth record w/o a bit more info to confirm it.

Thank you all very much, I'll get Sarah's birth certificate next - that's more luck then I've had for the last month in finding information about My Great Grandmother.

This might be the info you have already, from the 1891 census -- I found it by searching for Isaac Frampton in Romford born 1860 +/-10 wtih wife Sarah:


Name: Sarah Frampton
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Isaac
Gender: Female
Where born: Elford, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 14

Eliza Frampton 8
Isaac Frampton 26
Isaac Frampton 4
James Frampton 2
Sarah Frampton 27


So using that birth info, we search in 1881, and find what is probably your Sarah:


Name: Sarah Holmes
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: George
Mother's Name: Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Ilford, Essex, England
Occupation: Jute Work

Name: George Holmes
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Dover, Kent, England
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: General Laborer

Name: Ann Holmes
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: George
Gender: Female
Where born: Chadwell, Essex, England
Condition as to marriage: Married

Civil Parish: Barking
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address: Back St

Civil Parish: Barking
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Registration district: Romford
Sub-registration district: Ilford
ED, institution, or vessel: 5

Ann Holmes 55
George Holmes 45
Sarah Holmes 16


The marriage certificate will confirm whether your Sarah's father was George, and should give his occupation as well.

Now -- you can go to FreeBMD and search for the marriage of a George Holmes to an Ann in Essex sometime in the early 1860s!

Actually, given their ages, the marriage could have been later -- editing: oops, I meant earlier -- so you'll be wanting to find Ann's birth surname from Sarah's birth certificate, or use Ann's personal info from that record to search for her pre-marriage in the censuses. (I checked the 1881 image, and she is indeed shown as aged 55, and George aged 45.)

Perhaps the Sarah in Ilford,

ROMFORD REGISTRATION DISTRICT
Registration County : Essex.
Created : 1.7.1837.
Abolished : 1.4.1965 (succeeded by Barking & Dagenham, Havering and Redbridge districts).
Sub-districts : Barking Town; Dagenham; Hornchurch; Ilford; Oldchurch Hospital; Romford.

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page

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Marriages Sep 1886
FRAMPTON Isaac Romford 4a 312
HOLMES Sarah Romford 4a 312

census 1891
FRAMPTON, Isaac Head Married M 26 General Labourer
Lewisham
Kent
FRAMPTON, Sarah Wife Married F 27
Ilford
Essex
FRAMPTON, Eliza Daughter F 8 Scholar
Ilford
Essex
FRAMPTON, Isaac Son M 4 Scholar
Ilford
Essex
FRAMPTON, James Son M 2
Westham
Essex

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
1319 Folio:
19 Page:
37

Registration District:
West Ham Sub District:
West Ham EnumerationDistrict:
Ecclesiastical Parish:
St Lukes

Civil Parish:
Canning Town Municipal Borough:
West Ham Address:
13, Rivett Street, Canning Town, West Ham County:
Essex

Not sure if this is her in 1881?

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
George HOLMES Head M Male 45 Dover, Kent, England General Laborer
Ann HOLMES Wife M Female 55 Chadwell, Essex, England
Sarah HOLMES Daur U Female 16 Ilford, Essex, England Jute Work

Source Information:
Dwelling Back St
Census Place Barking, Essex, England
Family History Library Film 1341420
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1746 / 69
Page Number 9

Oh no, here is another one in Essex

Household:

Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
Wm. Thos. HOLMES Head M Male 40 London Oxford St., London, Middlesex, England Certificated Teacher
Sarah HOLMES Wife M Female 38 P. Risboro., Buckingham, England
Sarah E.J. HOLMES Daur U Female 15 Heybridge, Essex, England Scholar
W. Stanley HOLMES Son U Male 13 Heybridge, Essex, England Scholar
Leonard R. HOLMES Son U Male 11 Heybridge, Essex, England Scholar
Gilbert E. HOLMES Son U Male 4 Heybridge, Essex, England Scholar
Eleanor M. HOLMES Daur U Female 6 w Heybridge, Essex, England


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Source Information:
Dwelling Well Terrace
Census Place Heybridge, Essex, England
Family History Library Film 1341429
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 1777 / 21
Page Number 37

Just a note about searching at FreeBMD.

Before 1911, the bride and groom names were not connected up in the GRO index.

But FreeBMD will still search for names that appear on the same page, so I searched marriages 1880 to 1890 for surname Frampton with surname Holmes on the same page. Fortunately, the surnames were not Smith and Hill, and the given names were not John and Mary, so it was easy to identify the correct one. I hope!

Place names are always useful!


This appears to be their marriage:


Marriages Sep 1886
BEASY Elizabeth Romford 4a 312
** FRAMPTON Isaac Romford 4a 312
** HOLMES Sarah Romford 4a 312
Lawrence Henry Romford 4a 312


Ordering the marriage certificate should get you their fathers' names, for tracing back in the censuses.

There are three Sarah Holmes births in the general time period in Romford (where she may not have been born), this one looking like maybe the most likely:

Births Jun 1865
Holmes Sarah Ann Holmes Romford 4a 109

-- but best to get the marriage certificate first and see whether you can identify her with her parents in censuses to see what the date and place of birth are likely to be.

Above found handily and free of charge at:

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

do you have her marriage cert?
where did they marry or even live?

I'm trying to trace the parents of Sarah Frampton (nee Holmes) B: abt 1864 D: Abt 1908. She was married to Isaac Frederick Frampton B: 1863 and had 6 children Eliza, Isaac, James, julia, Edward and Pheobe Frampton

Any help would be appreciated.