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GRMarilyn
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9 Dec 2007 21:58 |
I am looking for a birth of my Great grandmother Mary Ann Oneil,her mother was Ellen Cahill b Dublin her father Owen Oneil b Waterford Mary Ann b about 1862 ,in all census and death.She states born in Plymouth Devon but for years I have been looking and there are No births of her in Plymouth, .I do know that her parents came over from Ireland around 1860's with least two other children.of which I cannot find births for in the UK. Later had two other children of which I have their birth cert,so I know her mothers maiden name.Her two sisters were born in Plymouth 1872 &1874. Any help would be great as I cannot go back further.Many thanks to anyone.Regards Marilyn.
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Janice
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9 Dec 2007 22:32 |
Marilyn Is1881 England Census about Owen Oneil Name: Owen Oneil Age: 46 Estimated birth year: abt 1835 Relation: Lodger Gender: Male Where born: Waterford, Ireland Civil parish: Plymouth St Andrew County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address: No 40 Rendle St Condition as to marriage: Married Education:
Employment status: View image Occupation: General Labourer Registration district: Plymouth Sub-registration district: St Andrew ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age John Barton 40 Ann Gunn 45 Richard Gunn 9 William H. Gunn 15 Thomas Monaghan 67 Owen Oneil 46 View Original Record
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Are you sure they came to England in 1860s? Could they have been in another district before being in Devon? Janice
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ErikaH
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9 Dec 2007 22:35 |
Ellen and the two younger daughters are living at No 38
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Janice
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9 Dec 2007 22:42 |
That's interesting Reg WONDER where the older children are?
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9 Dec 2007 22:49 |
Janice
As we don't have the names (apart from Mary) we can't look for them.
We need more detail from Marilyn.........
Reg
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9 Dec 2007 22:52 |
Marilyn
Just to point out a couple of things..........
The children born in Ireland will not have birth info recorded in England.......you will need to access Irish records.
Mary Ann's birth (IF it was in England) may simply not have been registered.........it wasn't compulsory until 1875.
Did you find out from her marriage cert that she was Owen's daughter?
Reg
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9 Dec 2007 22:53 |
Yes, I agree Reg Cannot see Owen & Ellen together earlier than them next door to each other in 1881 in that area anyway? Seen a Owen & Ellen earlier but not in that district. Janice
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9 Dec 2007 23:46 |
Marilyn This will be the 1871 census then of Owen & Ellen?
1871 England Census about Owen Neals Name: Owen Neals Age: 40 Estimated birth year: abt 1831 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Waterford, Ireland Civil parish: St Andrew Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage:
Disability: View image Registration district: Plymouth Sub-registration district: St Andrew ED, institution, or vessel: 15 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 227 Household Members: Name Age Catharine Neals 1 Ellen Neals 39 Ellen Neals 5 Mary Ann Neals 10 Owen Neals 40 Thomas Neals 16 View Original Record
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Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2120; Folio: 103; Page: 41; GSU roll: 831796.
So we have earlier children now. Janice x
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9 Dec 2007 23:58 |
The earlier children Catherine & Ellen appear to have died young from records on births & deaths.
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GRMarilyn
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9 Dec 2007 23:59 |
Hi all This is what I have although I am not sure if these are my family of Oneil 1871 Mary Ann age 10 in the spelling of NEAL living in 9 Octagon Cottages Plymouth Devon with her family, 1861 Family of Oneil but Owen has become Hall Oneil with Ellen and children I have the 1881 census Plymouth Devon of Mary Ann Oneil 19 yrs Lodger,She married September of 1881 to John TRegaskis, Plymouth. Many Thanks all Marilyn.
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Janice
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10 Dec 2007 00:12 |
Marilyn The census for 1861 could be the same family, they do have a Thomas of same age?
1861 England Census about Hall Oneil Name: Hall Oneil Age: 28 Estimated birth year: abt 1833 Relation: Head Spouse's name: Ellen Gender: Male Where born: Ireland Civil parish: St Andrew Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter County/Island: Devon Country: England Street address:
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Condition as to marriage: View image Registration district: Plymouth Sub-registration district: St Andrew ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 488 Household Members: Name Age Ellen Oneil 27 Hall Oneil 28 James Oneil 2 Micheal Oneil 4 Thomas Oneil 6 View Original Record
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Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1440; Folio: 103; Page: 6; GSU roll: 542813. Page Tools Save record to someone in my tree Save record to my shoebox Comments and Corrections E-mail image to a friend View printer-friendly
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Most of information looks good. Need to check the missing children as they seem to disappear on next census, but so many young deaths back then.
If it is correct them Mary Ann was born in England.
Janice x
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10 Dec 2007 00:15 |
Hi Janice, Did you notice that there where no births for Catherine and Ellen in UK ? Even though it was stated in 1871 that they where all born in Plymouth,mind boggling !! I suppose it was not compulsory as Reggie said. Marilyn
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Janice
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10 Dec 2007 00:27 |
No, I have not checked births for them, just looked for deaths in between census times. Will take a look though and see if I can see them?
Janice
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10 Dec 2007 00:37 |
This could be Ellen's death?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983 about Ellen O'Neil Name: Ellen O'Neil Estimated birth year: abt 1865 Year of Registration: 1876 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec Age at Death: 11 DISTRICT: Plymouth County: Devon Volume: 5b Page: 196 (click to see others on page) View Image
Would account for her absence on next census. Only way to be sure is to order the certificate of course.
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10 Dec 2007 00:55 |
There is this birth for James Oneil which looks right? If you were to get this and it proves to be son of Owen & Ellen from 1861 census where Owen appears to be down as Hall? Then it suggests the other children should also be registered?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 about James Oneil Name: James Oneil Year of Registration: 1859 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar DISTRICT: Plymouth County: Devon Volume: 5b Page: 485 (click to see others on page) View Image Page Tools View printer-friendly
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10 Dec 2007 01:00 |
There is also Michael Oneil which again fits Michael from 1861 census?
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 about Michael O'Neil Name: Michael O'Neil Year of Registration: 1856 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec DISTRICT: Plymouth County: Devon Volume: 5b Page: 235 (click to see others on page) View Image Page Tools View printer-friendly
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10 Dec 2007 01:11 |
Looked for Thomas but not found birth here so probably born in Ireland. There is a Thomas Oneil in 1881 in the Military in Plymouth on census. Think this is likely to be him but age is a bit out, he appears to have lost a few years?
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10 Dec 2007 08:00 |
Thanks You Janice & Reggie for all your help, I guess that I need to rethink all my info, Regards Marilyn.
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10 Dec 2007 08:28 |
I also have O'Neill. Mine moved over from Ireland, dropping the 2nd L on the way. Later they couldn't get work so they dropped the O from the name. This if why I wonder if this could be your Mary.
England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983 about Mary Neil Name: Mary Neil Year of Registration: 1863 Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun District: Plymouth County: Devon Volume: 5b Page: 280 (click to see others on page)
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10 Dec 2007 14:11 |
Claire I am sure this Mary Neil is HER The right age and right Place,well I will be ordering this cert..After 20 of searching on and off,I am very excited ,fingers crossed. To every one thats helped me, Thanks a million Happy Xmas to you All. Marilyn
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