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Claire
I am sure this Mary Neil is HER The right age and right Place,well I will be ordering this cert..After 20 of searching on and off,I am very excited ,fingers crossed.
To every one thats helped me,
Thanks a million
Happy Xmas to you All.
Marilyn

I also have O'Neill. Mine moved over from Ireland, dropping the 2nd L on the way. Later they couldn't get work so they dropped the O from the name. This if why I wonder if this could be your Mary.

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Mary Neil
Name: Mary Neil
Year of Registration: 1863
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Plymouth
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 280 (click to see others on page)

Thanks You Janice & Reggie for all your help, I guess that I need to rethink all my info,
Regards
Marilyn.

Looked for Thomas but not found birth here so probably born in Ireland.
There is a Thomas Oneil in 1881 in the Military in Plymouth on census.
Think this is likely to be him but age is a bit out, he appears to have lost a few years?

Janice x

There is also Michael Oneil which again fits Michael from 1861 census?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about Michael O'Neil
Name: Michael O'Neil
Year of Registration: 1856
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
DISTRICT: Plymouth
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 235 (click to see others on page)


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Janice x

There is this birth for James Oneil which looks right?
If you were to get this and it proves to be son of Owen & Ellen from 1861 census where Owen appears to be down as Hall?
Then it suggests the other children should also be registered?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Birth Index: 1837-1983
about James Oneil
Name: James Oneil
Year of Registration: 1859
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
DISTRICT: Plymouth
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 485 (click to see others on page)


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Janice x

This could be Ellen's death?

England & Wales, FreeBMD Death Index: 1837-1983
about Ellen O'Neil
Name: Ellen O'Neil
Estimated birth year: abt 1865
Year of Registration: 1876
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
Age at Death: 11
DISTRICT: Plymouth
County: Devon
Volume: 5b
Page: 196 (click to see others on page)


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Would account for her absence on next census.
Only way to be sure is to order the certificate of course.

Janice

No, I have not checked births for them, just looked for deaths in between census times.
Will take a look though and see if I can see them?

Janice

Hi Janice,
Did you notice that there where no births for Catherine and Ellen in UK ? Even though it was stated in 1871 that they where all born in Plymouth,mind boggling !!
I suppose it was not compulsory as Reggie said.
Marilyn

Marilyn
The census for 1861 could be the same family, they do have a Thomas of same age?

1861 England Census
about Hall Oneil
Name: Hall Oneil
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1833
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Ireland

Civil parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 488
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Oneil 27
Hall Oneil 28
James Oneil 2
Micheal Oneil 4
Thomas Oneil 6


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Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 1440; Folio: 103; Page: 6; GSU roll: 542813.
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Most of information looks good.
Need to check the missing children as they seem to disappear on next census, but so many young deaths back then.

If it is correct them Mary Ann was born in England.

Janice x

Hi all
This is what I have although I am not sure if these are my family of Oneil 1871 Mary Ann age 10 in the spelling of NEAL living in 9 Octagon Cottages Plymouth Devon with her family,
1861 Family of Oneil but Owen has become Hall Oneil with Ellen and children I have the 1881 census Plymouth Devon of Mary Ann Oneil 19 yrs Lodger,She married September of 1881 to John TRegaskis, Plymouth. Many Thanks all Marilyn.

The earlier children Catherine & Ellen appear to have died young from records on births & deaths.

Janice x

Marilyn
This will be the 1871 census then of Owen & Ellen?

1871 England Census
about Owen Neals
Name: Owen Neals
Age: 40
Estimated birth year: abt 1831
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Ellen
Gender: Male
Where born: Waterford, Ireland

Civil parish: St Andrew
Ecclesiastical parish: St Peter
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

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Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 227
Household Members: Name Age
Catharine Neals 1
Ellen Neals 39
Ellen Neals 5
Mary Ann Neals 10
Owen Neals 40
Thomas Neals 16


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Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 2120; Folio: 103; Page: 41; GSU roll: 831796.

So we have earlier children now.
Janice x

Yes, I agree Reg
Cannot see Owen & Ellen together earlier than them next door to each other in 1881
in that area anyway?
Seen a Owen & Ellen earlier but not in that district.
Janice

Marilyn

Just to point out a couple of things..........

The children born in Ireland will not have birth info recorded in England.......you will need to access Irish records.

Mary Ann's birth (IF it was in England) may simply not have been registered.........it wasn't compulsory until 1875.

Did you find out from her marriage cert that she was Owen's daughter?

Reg

Janice

As we don't have the names (apart from Mary) we can't look for them.

We need more detail from Marilyn.........

Reg

That's interesting Reg
WONDER where the older children are?

Janice

Ellen and the two younger daughters are living at No 38

Reg

Marilyn
Is1881 England Census
about Owen Oneil
Name: Owen Oneil
Age: 46
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Waterford, Ireland

Civil parish: Plymouth St Andrew
County/Island: Devon
Country: England

Street address: No 40 Rendle St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: General Labourer

Registration district: Plymouth
Sub-registration district: St Andrew
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John Barton 40
Ann Gunn 45
Richard Gunn 9
William H. Gunn 15
Thomas Monaghan 67
Owen Oneil 46


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this your Owen?

Are you sure they came to England in 1860s?
Could they have been in another district before being in Devon?
Janice

I am looking for a birth of my Great grandmother Mary Ann Oneil,her mother was Ellen Cahill b Dublin her father Owen Oneil b Waterford
Mary Ann b about 1862 ,in all census and death.She states born in Plymouth Devon but for years I have been looking and there are No births of her in Plymouth,
.I do know that her parents came over from Ireland around 1860's with least two other children.of which I cannot find births for in the UK. Later had two other children of which I have their birth cert,so I know her mothers maiden name.Her two sisters were born in Plymouth 1872 &1874. Any help would be great as I cannot go back further.Many thanks to anyone.Regards Marilyn.