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Which would seem to leave just the dance school teacher who married Mr Moseley then....

hi Carmen
I think had Brenda had another middle name she would have noted them on your birth certificate, if only by initial?

Am more of mind to think the one to chase up would be Brenda 1926 Pontardawe Wales - it looks like she never wed & as there is no mention in deaths up to 2005 she may well be still living (or moved out of England and Wales).

Brenda E had wed by 1944 staying in the West Midlands area
Brenda C born and wed in Chesterfield so why would she be in Blackpool?
Brenda of Wales has no middle name & is the only one who is unaccountable

regards
Ian

Hi Janey

Just got all your latest info, a lot to digest.

I do have a copy of the marriage certificate for Blakesley-Moseley. It shows father of Eric Dale Moseley as Frank Moseley which would appear was married to Minnie Thickett. Address for Eric at time of marriage appears to be 57 eyre street,E Harland.

Brenda Cecilia Blakesley father was (Thomas Edwin Blakesley) Insurance Broker

Thank you so much for all your research will have to sift through when I have spare time, as I work everyday through the week.

Bye for now Carmen

This blasted system just destroyed my next post, so I'll compose it again. There are some very odd coincidences here.


Name: Minnie Simpson
Spouse: Thomas W Moseley
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Chesterfield
Registration county (inferred): Derbyshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 2428

Name: Minnie Thickett
Spouse: Frank Moseley
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Chesterfield
Registration county (inferred): Derbyshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 2390

Two Minnies married Moseleys in the same quarter, same place.


Name: Eric Moseley
Mother's Maiden Surname: Simpson
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1921
Registration district: Chesterfield
Registration county: Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 1560

Name: Eric D Moseley
Mother's Maiden Surname: Thickett
Date of Registration: Jan Feb Mar 1921
Registration district: Chesterfield
Registration county: Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 1445

Both Minnies had a son Eric about 9 months later -- same quarter, same place.


But it seems that "your" Eric's mother was Thickett -- mother of Eric D -- not Simpson.


Carmen -- I would suggest you get the Blakesley-Moseley marriage certificate!

Carmen ... have you received the information that the surname of the mother of Brenda's husband, Eric Dale Moseley, was Simpson?

Name: Eric Dale Moseley
Birth Date: 11 Jan 1921
Death Registration Month/Year: Sep 1999
Age at death (estimated): 78
Registration district: Chesterfield
Inferred County: Derbyshire
Register number: B49E
District and Subdistrict: 3931B
Entry number: 46


In 1911:

SIMPSON MINNIE 1893 18 Chesterfield Derbyshire

Name: Minnie Simpson
Spouse: Thomas W Moseley
Date of Registration: Apr-May-Jun 1920
Registration district: Chesterfield
Registration county (inferred): Derbyshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 2428

Unfortunately, as I think has been mentioned, Eric seems to have been an only child. Although ... there are births in Yorkshire that I am certain would also be to that couple, 1922, 1924 and 1928 (you can find them at FreeBMD -- siblings of Brenda's husband).

And here we have Brenda's school, today. I think this is certainly the place to start for information about, and pictures of, that Brenda Blakesley:

http://academyofdancechesterfield.com/id6.html


ACADEMY OF DANCE CHESTERFIELD

Academy History

The founder of the Academy of Dance in the 1950's was Miss Brenda Blakesley who was an examiner and executive of the International Dance Teachers Association.

Miss Judith took over the school in 1985 after teaching for Miss Blakesley for 15 years and from that day to this the school has grown in strength and numbers.

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Again, searching some more on spec, on the assumption that this is your Brenda, here is something in her own words, a review of a book:

http://www.amazon.com/Flower-Festival-Genzano-Language-Dance/dp/288124145X

Review
This charming pas de deux is of immense value to teachers and students, who for the first time have the opportunity to study the actual choreography, and the book is very well-written and informative.
–Brenda Blakesley of International Dance Teachers Association, October 1987

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There is a FriendsReunited group for her dance school that you can join (you do not have to use your real name):

http://www.friendsreunited.com.au/Team.page/Brenda_Blakesley_School_of_Dance/18999/Details

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When you google

"brenda blakesley" dance

there are a few other things (you have to skip over the ones for a new-agey massage artist in Las Vegas and a bodybuilder).

Carmen, Google can be your best friend. I used Google Images, just in case of a picture (and had to filter out a few things) and then found this:

http://www.directionstheatrearts.org/page.php?page=7

Welcome to Directions
Theatre Arts School & College

JULIE MARY COX FIDTA Principal / Director DTA

Julie started dancing at the age of seven with the Miss. Hancock school of dance in Clay Cross, Derbyshire. Two years after starting at Miss. Hancocks, Miss Hancock decided to move from the area so Julie joined the locally very well known Brenda Blakesley School in Chesterfield and it was their that Julie stayed and qualified for her first teaching qualifications The Associate Degree. Sadly Miss. Blakesly died in 1989 ...

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That info matches with the death info for Brenda Cecilia (Blakesley) Moseley:

Name: Brenda Cecilia Moseley
Birth Date: 30 Jul 1926
Death Registration Month/Year: Jun 1989
Age at death (estimated): 62
Registration district: Sheffield
Inferred County: Yorkshire
Volume: 3
Page: 1682


I think Julie Cox would be a very good person to contact for info about that Brenda Blakesley, and possibly photos. Contact info is here:

http://www.directionstheatrearts.org/contact.php

Hi Alison

Thank you so much for your reply, I can only continue on with my search to ascertain as to whether the Brenda Blakesley your mum had known is my possible mother.

Thanks Carmen (previously Karen)

Hi Alison.

You also mentioned that you may be able to find a photo of her for Carmen.

Maybe a resemblance would show to try and help towards finding out ?

Hi Alison, yes, Brenda has died, FBG sent the info to Carmen.

I'm sure your memories and info are wonderful for Carmen to have, if it turns out this Brenda was her mother, as it seems.

Hi Carmen, I really dont know much more. But I think Brenda will have died by now, Hawksley Ave in Chesterfield is 10 mins walk from her dance studio,she was well known in Chesterfield and this was the top dance school at the time. Blackpool is 2 hours ride away but is also one of the places where people from my area go on holiday its a seaside town.My Mum was friends with her when they were young at the dance school, my Mum was still dancing in her late teens, so she and Brenda were the principal dancers. They danced at the hippodrome which is now the pommegranite theatre. Dont know if Chesterfield library have any archives. If anything else comes to mind I will let you know. regards Alison

Both the Moseleys have now died and I have sent Carmen a PM with the refs as I thought it a start to maybe finding anyone who knew "that" Brenda well, through any scrap of info on it..

I also could not find any children for the marriage.

And Brenda /Cecilia would seem to have been an only child herself.

This would be her parents marriage.

Name: Thomas E Blakesley
Spouse Surname: Gascoigne<<<<<Mabel
Date of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar 1926
Registration district: Chesterfield
Registration county (inferred): Derbyshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 1067

And their births ?
I note that as Janey pointed out earlier on an Edwin,we have the name Edwin popping up again?

Births Dec 1898
Blakesley Thomas Edwin Burton 6b 397

2 Mabels in Chesterfield

Births Mar 1909
GASCOIGNE Mabel Chesterfield 7b M/37

Births Sep 1902
GASCOIGNE Mabel Chesterfield 7b 824

There are 4 more births of a Mabel Gascoigne between those 2 with and without middle initials,but I put these 2 here as they are in Chesterfield.


There are no results for those names on trees on here.

There is a public tree on Ancestry with Thomas E Blakesley on,but no spouse assigned to him,so prob a distant relation.

And no one has a Mabel Gascoigne that would be her.

And just to note -- clearly the Brenda whom Alison's mother knew is the Brenda/Cecelia who married Moseley.

Unfortunately, it seems there were no births to that marriage.

FBG has asked me to take a look here -- and we're agreed on one thing, Carmen: you need to use the "Enter" key frequently to break up your posts with some white space! It really is much too hard to read all in a block like that. ;)

I wondered about tackling the foster/adptive family to see whether we could find family in England who might know of them. What I'm not clear on is: you are not in contact with them? Quite likely the parents are deceased; what about the child, and any other children?

If any of this seems inappropriate for the open boards, tell me and I'll delete it. It is just so much easier to follow than doing it by 3-way email, let alone PMs.

Joan was born in 1925, the daughter of John and Margaret A. (There is one other Joan birth that could be her, but the birth I refer to was in the same district as her marriage.)

She had 3 brothers. It could be possible to trace them / their children. What I'm wondering is whether family in England might be in touch with the couple and child who left the country.

Her husband's name was more common and there's no obvious candidate for his birth. Their marriage certificate would give their ages and their fathers' names, which should make it possible to identify him and any siblings.

Carmen.
Thank you for your Pm.

If you click on Alisons name you can send her a private message as well.

PS.
As you have the marriage cert of one possible Brenda then a search can be made for any possible children and her through Electoral rolls and death refs .

I will look when I get back
viv

Hi Alison, I have no idea whether you recieved my first reply as I had to rejoin and pay for a further 6 months to Genes Reunited and by the time tried to send my reply it wouldn't go back. First thank you after all this time trying to give me info. I had been researching through a Jeremy Palmer from Anzestry.com. I had no further information since 2008. It appears the 2 most possible candidates for my mother are Brenda Blakesley from West Bromwich and Brenda Cecilia Blakesley who married Eric Dale Moseley in 1957.Brenda from West Bromwich was born in 1922, and Brenda Cecilia was born around 1926/1927 Mothers maiden name Gascoigne District Chesterfield which I gather is not that far from Blackpool. I have a copy of the marriage certificate that claims she was 30 when she married Occupation listed as Dancing Teacher Address 80 Hawkesley Avenue,s Edwin Blakesley. Unfortunately to date have not gone any further, as I really don't know where next to go. My researcher here has advised for me to contact adotion Services at Clifton Road Blackpool Lancashire re adoption records and also NORCAP contact register was also mentioned. If you don't mind me asking was the Brenda your mother danced with a close friend, do you know her, is she still alive. Unfortuately being a different country and so far away this is not an easy exercise but I dearly would like what any info you can partake. Thank you once again. By the way if you are wondering why I go by the name Carmen now it is because my Foster Father changed my name from Karen to Carmen. Hope to hear from you again.

Hi Carmen.
Thank you for your message.
I am glad that you got my message and have seen this,
Have you been in contact with Alison by private message (PM)as you have me to see where that leads?

Also the advise to contact Blackpool Social Services/Adoption services and NORCAP is exactly spot on.
If you were legally adopted out it should have "adopted"on the side of your original full birth certificate,do you have that document?

I personally am quite willing to try and help you in any way that I can now that you have returned to this thread,as I am sure others will be too.

As posted by Lindy Lou earlier there is a birth for Brenda Blakesley in Pontardawe.

Births Jun 1926
Blakesley Brenda Arnold Pontardawe 11a 1811

And there is also this one.

Births Dec 1922
Blakesley Brenda E Jones W.Bromwich 6b 1490

Those would seem to be the only ones that could be her as all others would make her too young to have had you.

There are just 4 marriages of a Brenda Blakesley on Ancestry not allowing for mis transcriptions.

1944 in Staffordshire,Brenda E

1957 in Derbyshire Brenda C

1986 in London Brenda E

1976 in Glamorgan of Brenda (no middle name).

So not a lot of marriages that could possibly be her It seems.

If she did go on to marry that is.


Out of interest there is this birth where the middle initial may stand for Brenda.

Just to keep in mind.

Name: Cecelia B Blakesley
Mother's Maiden Surname: Gascoigne
Date of Registration: Jul Aug Sep 1926
Registration district: Chesterfield
Registration county: Nottinghamshire, Derbyshire
Volume Number: 7b
Page Number: 1239

Hi Alison I have just seen your message after getting an email from Genes Reunited and Vivienne. I had been trying through a Australian Anzestry reseach guy called Jeremy Palmer. The last I was told was to contact Adoption Services in Blackpool and an organisation called NORCAP. He mentioned to me to maybe try to obtain more info on a Brenda Blakesley from West Bromwich or Brenda Cecilia Blakesley who married a Eric Dale Moseley in 1957. If you have anything you think might be relavant that would be fantastic as I feel I have hit a wall. The Brenda Blakesley from West Bromwich was born in 1922 District Pontardawe and Cecilia B Blakesley District Chesterfield. Hoping to hear more Carmen Ryan(Karen Blakesley)Bye for now

Alison.

This post is from 2007 so it would be best to click on Karens name and send her a message through GR who will notify her that she has a message from you,if she is still a member and has not changed her email address.

It would be a shame for her to miss this info that you may have for her.

I have also sent Karen a message to tell her that there is a message here for her from you,I hope she is still a member...

If this is so I may have a picture of her in my Mums belongings