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Hi Sue,
the name is the same but my Emma was born in 1860 thanks for looking , by the way i am in Perth also i am in Mandurah.
Lorraine.

C'mon, Lorraine -- a *little* bit more! We have to sort out the people in order to know where to focus. -- Ah, we crossed in the post. So you do think it makes sense. Any more comments about anything in particular?

Your Emma Caroline & her origins obviously aren't just going to jump out of the cake for us! We gotta track her down, through whatever traces we can find.

Did you know what Isaac's occupation was? Have you ever found him on a census? You saw what I went through trying to find him! Do you think that's him in 1861 -- in Beirut, no less! -- given that his occupation in 1881, when we know it is him for sure, given the wife's name, is the same? -- crossing again: yes, we have the right Isaac; yours was a sailor.

If that's him in 1861, then he was likely at sea when Emma Caroline was born.

What do you think of this Jane Sandoe Stearnes (edit -- it's Searles, not Stearnes), apparently sister to Emma Caroline?


Here's the one I have my eye on as being your Emma Caroline in 1860:


Name: Emma C Treggiddia
Age: 5 Mo
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Tregony, Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: St James and Tregony
Town: Tregony
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Truro
Sub-registration district: Probus
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Household schedule number: 63

Elizabeth Tregiddia 24 - head
William Treggiddia 18 - brother
George Treggiddia 2 - son (of Elizabeth, presumably)
Emma Treggiddia 21 - lodger
Emma C Treggiddia 5 Mo -daughter
Mary Miners 27 - lodger
Ann Miners 3 Mo - daughter


All for adults are agricultural labours. All are unmarried. Presumably they are all siblings.

There are dozens of Tre- surnames in Cornwall, most of which their owners didn't spell consistently -- let alone enumerators knowing how to spell them, or even registrars. And then there are Ancestry's scribes ...

In the same municipality in 1861, we have a Tregenza and two Tregeagles. Not likely, although I haven't checked the images.


Although the four of them reported being born in Tregony, they aren't there in 1851.

If you look at Gurney Row (presumably the same as Gurney Place in 1861), Tregony, at Google maps, you can see it as one of about 6 streets in Tregony.


Mary Miners seems to be there in 1851:


Name: Mary Ann Miners
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1836
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Samuel
Mother's Name: Peggy
Gender: Female
Where born: Tregony, Cornwall, England

On Gurney Place, in fact.


I suspect the surname is actually a variation on Tressider / Tresidder. But there are also things like Tregidga ...

If we had late registration, which wouldn't surprise me, this could be the birth:


Name: Emma Tresidder
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Penzance
County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 534


But what wouldn't surprise me is if that Emma / your Emma Caroline wasn't registered. I can't find birth registrations for either of the other two children in that household, either.


But so much for all that. In 1871 in Tregony:


James Elliott 41
Emma Tregidga 31
Emma C Tregidga 11
James Tregidga 2
Jane A Tregidga 5
John H Tregidga 9


At that time, your Emma Caroline is in Stratford Le Bow, at least as far as I could make out.

Could you maybe confirm that that's her in 1871, in Stratford Le Bow?

Name: Emma Sandel
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Cornwall, England


And anything else you might think about it all??


I'm curious about Sandoes, you see. I'd like to know more about the connection between my Hills and the Sandoe family, if any, since it seems that my gr-grfather Hill (then Monck) traipsed off to Australia to work with the son of Samuel Sandoe Bice, and I'm assuming that Bice's mother was a Sandoe, or there was some other close connection.

It's not the rarest surname in that part of the world. But it isn't Smith. Or Hill. ;)

That was Emma's marriage Sue found, Lorraine. She was looking in the wrong list, and thought it was a birth. ;)

But again -- could you just confirm that that *is* Emma's marriage?

Curious -- Isaac's wife Sarah died in 1909, but there seems to be no record of Isaac's death. Do you know anything about it?

Hi there Katherine,
yes Emma did marry my great grandfather Henry Edward Price . I do believe its Truro Cornwall that they were born but not positive. I do not know anything about his death i have looked myself. I have Isaac and Sarah's marriage cert and Isaac's father is listed as Stephen, and he was a seaman also........Lorraine

Hi again Katherine,
i had a look for Samuel Bice and found a site about his son Sir John George Bice, I don't know if you have seen it the site is Australian Biography. By the way i live in Australia also.
Lorraine.

Okay, one by one.

"I have Emma's marriage cert and yes it has Isaac Sandoe as her father and a witness to the wedding was Jessie Annie Sandoe could this poosibly be Isaac's sister."


Nope -- she's this person, in the 1871 census:

Name: Jessie H Sandoe
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Jessie
Gender: Female
Where born: Falmouth, Cornwall, England

It looks like an H, but could be intended to be an A.

See up above -- in 1871, she is the daughter of Jessie (recorded as male, spelled like that), a widower.

Except that Jessie is obviously her mother, not her father; this is the household in 1861:

Henry Sandoe 33
Jessie Sandoe 29
Louisa Sandoe 3
Elizabeth D Sandoe 1

Jane Sandoe is in the household in 1871, aged 15, but not in the 1861 household, where you would expect to see her if she was a daughter of Jessie and Henry.

This seems to be young Jessie in 1881:

Name: Jessie Sandow
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Niece
Gender: Female
Where born: Falmouth, Cornwall, England


-- but oh, no, I'm wrong, she's too young to be a witness to an 1868 marriage.

So the Jessie Sandoe witness has to be mother Jessie, widow of Henry.

And this is their marriage:

Name: Henry Sandoe + Jessie Hocking
Year of Registration: 1854
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Falmouth
County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 381


So -- is *Henry Sandoe* Isaac's brother?

"So where does Emma and her sister Margaret come from."

Yes. Well. ;)

Where do you know of Margaret from? So far I don't think I've found anything about her.

If it's okay with you, we'll just keep doing this here -- it means I've got all the stuff so far laid out in one place.

The fun for me here, you see, is that nobody at GR ever wants to know anything about Cornwall, and it's one of my own areas of interest. Digging around in it might always produce something I want to know!

I'm not seeing any Margaret Sandoe of an age to be your Emma Caroline's sister. Is there any chance that Jane is that person?


We do have us a really old Margaret Sandoe though, of an age to be the grandmother of Isaac's generation, and with a name that obviously belongs in the family:

Name: Margret Sandoe
Age: 75
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1766
Where born: Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: St Agnes
Registration district: Truro
Sub-registration district: St Agnes

She has two sons on the page, both copper mine workers: George and James.

These could be entirely unrelated, but given that there are about 120 Sandoes in Cornwall in 1841, almost all in

Truro (Kenwyn, St Agnes, Kea, Philleigh, St Feock, Veryan)
Falmouth (Falmouth, Mylor)

they're obviously all connected.

There are a couple of strays in 1841.

Name: James Sandoe, Margery Sandoe, both aged 65 / born c1776
Where born: Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Crowan
Registration district: Helston
Sub-registration district: Crowan

Name: William Sandoe (ag lab), aged 75 / born c1766
Where born: Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Buryan
Registration district: Penzance
Sub-registration district: St Buryan

Anthony Sandoe, aged 60 / born c1781
in the workhouse in Probus, Truro, Cornwall

Name: Josoph Sandoe, aged 40, born c1801, + wife Margaret and kids
Where born: Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: Calstock
Registration district: Liskeard
Sub-registration district: Callington

-- whom I mention because Callington is where my gr-grfather Hill(Monck) was born, and where his father's business partner Samuel Sandoe Bice hails from

Name: John Sandoe, aged 10, born c1831, living with a William Copplestone
Where born: Cornwall, England
Civil Parish: St Winnow
Registration district: Bodmin
Sub-registration district: Lanlivery

-- Bodmin and Liskeard are interchangable in my Hills' view, as far as where they named as place of birth

Barring mistranscriptions, which there undoubtedly are, the only other Sandoes are:

2 households in Middlesex
1 household in Buckinghamshire
1 household in Nottinghamshire
1 couple in Buckinghamshire

Most of the non-Cornwall households have members not born in county, making them likely Cornwall natives.


No Stephens, and no Isaacs.

Please dont take this to e.mails!

Fasinating stuff! and a good read...
Well done Detective Kathryn

lol

Gerri x

The thing about Sir John George Bice --

After someone at the Devon Family History Society discussion board found me the baptism of Francis Hoare Hill, my grx2 grfather, in 1819 in Tamerton Foliott, someone else went looking for him in the Archives, and found:

ESTATE ADMINISTRATION
MINING AND INDUSTRY
TIN AND COPPER
St. Austell: setts
Menagwins
FILE [no title] - ref. CN/1997 - date: 1859
Thos. Tristram Spry Carlyon of Tregrehan, esq., to Francis Hoare Hill of Finsbury, Mddx., and Sam. Sandoe Bice of St. Blazey, mine agent.


After they moved to Australia, son John George Bice (later Sir) became a blacksmith and then a farm machinery manufacturer. My gr-grfather Ernest, son of Francis Hoare Hill, who had changed his name to Ernest Monck at that point, was in Australia from 1887 to the early 1890s, and is described on his son's birth certificate as "Case dealer". I thought it unlikely he was a Case farm machinery dealer, until I discovered the Bice connection. It may be that he emigrated to Australia because of the Bice connection. But I think it more likely that "case dealer" meant wholesaler.

So that's my Sandoe connection, for what it's worth! Did I already say? - you can read some of the Hill/Monck tale here:

http://genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=976217
"Ernest Monck - Australia sojourn c 1885-1895"

and also here:

http://genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=954394
"JohnRogersCheshire/MaryEmmaHill 1860s-descendants"

I've realized since I started playing here that Cornwall (and Devon) obviously had a tiny population compared to what most people here are interested in / where they hail from: Lancashire, Yorkshire, Lincolnshire, and of course the London area. Nobody wants to know about Cornwall and Devon!

And there is so much interconnectedness there, and also the connection of almost everybody there to the mines, that it can be interesting to look around the genealogy of the area. What kills me is that there are so many damned Hills in Cornwall and Devon, and nobody at GR seems to have any connection to mine!

Back to your Sandoes!

How's this for the possible death of Isaac's father?

Name: Stephen Sandoe
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Truro
County: Cornwall
Volume: 9
Page: 194

That might leave a widow in the 1841 census. If you get that death certificate, it will at least give a location in Truro -- one of the villages I listed above, undoubtedly -- and we can look for her.

Meanwhile, we can browse the IGI. It has these, on a general search for the name Stephen Sandoe:


1. STEPHEN SANDOW - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 25 NOV 1638 Redruth, Cornwall, England
2. STEPHEN SANDOE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 29 SEP 1688 Redruth, Cornwall, England
3. STEPHEN SANDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 13 APR 1692 Egloskerry, Cornwall, England
4. STEPHEN HARRIS SANDOW - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 29 OCT 1716 Redruth, Cornwall, England
5. STEPHEN SANDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 AUG 1726 Saint Agnes Near Truro, Cornwall, England
6. STEPHEN SANDO - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 15 OCT 1734 Helland, Cornwall, England
7. STEPHEN SANDOE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 11 NOV 1738 Redruth, Cornwall, England
8. STEPHEN SANDOE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 11 NOV 1738 Redruth, Cornwall, England
9. STEPHEN SANDOE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 16 SEP 1749 Saint Agnes Near Truro, Cornwall, England
10. STEPN. SANDOE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 22 JUN 1751 Redruth, Cornwall, England
11. STEPHEN SANDOE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Christening: 09 NOV 1788 Saint Agnes Near Truro, Cornwall, England

That last one is the closest there is to a Stephen who would be of an age to be father of your Isaac. He might also be of the previous generation, though. Your Isaac's age is a variable thing in the censuses.

Does his marriage certificate give an age at his marriage to Sarah?

The batch that that last Stephen Sandoe is in, C053061, has 52 Sandoe christenings, ranging from 1723 up to 1836, in Saint Agnes Near Truro. No Isaac.

The IGI has precisely nothing for any Isaac Sandoe.

For Stephen Sandoe marriages, it has these, all too early:

1. STEPHEN SANDOE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 29 SEP 1688 Redruth, Cornwall, England
2. STEPHEN SANDOE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 11 NOV 1738 Redruth, Cornwall, England
3. STEPHEN SANDOE - International Genealogical Index
Gender: Male Marriage: 16 SEP 1749 Saint Agnes Near Truro, Cornwall, England


FreeBMD has your Isaac's marriage to Sarah Swayne in 1863, and that is the only record it has for that name -- birth, marriage or death.


From 1857 to 1863, there are two births for the name Emma Caroline in Cornwall:

Births Sep 1857
Woodford Emma Caroline St.Germans 5c 40

Births Mar 1860
COCK Emma Caroline Liskeard 5c 63

St Germans is also associated with Liskeard / Bodmin / Callington etc. in my family.

I don't see a death shortly after for the Cock birth ... and I don't see that Emma Caroline Cock in the 1861 census, or the 1871 census (Emma or Caroline). No marriage or death record for that specific name.

So I'm wondering whether she is your Emma Caroline. My theory being, of course, that your Emma Caroline was born to a woman to whom Isaac Sandoe was not married, probably while he was at sea, so she would have been registered in her mother's name.

Things you need to get:

(1) marriage certificate:

Name: Jane Annie Sandoe (Thomas Searles)
Year of Registration: 1882
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Lewisham
County: Greater London, Kent, London
Volume: 1d
Page: 1033

She's the person Sarah Jessie Sandoe, daughter of Isaac, is living with in 1881. She was born c1853, and in 1871 she is in the household of Jessie Sandoe in Cornwall -- the Jessie who is probably the witness to Emma Caroline's marriage.

Her marriage certificate will give her father's name; Isaac?


(2) birth certificate:

Name: Emma Caroline Cock
Year of Registration: 1860
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Liskeard
County: Cornwall
Volume: 5c
Page: 63

If two parents are named, she would seem not to be yours. If only the mother, she would be a possibility.


(3) death certificate:

Name: Stephen Sandoe
Year of Registration: 1840
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Truro
County: Cornwall
Volume: 9
Page: 194

for anything it might tell you, especially place of death, so that we can look for his widow in 1841.


The remaining question:

If your correspondent is the grandson of Margaret Sandoe who was the daughter of Isaac, he must know whom she married! Did he say? If he is the son of her son, his name would be the same as Margaret's husband. If he is the son of her daughter, it would be different.

The only marriages shown for a Margaret Sandoe in the GRO are:

Margaret Sandoe 1852 Jul-Aug-Sep Truro Cornwall
Margaret G Sandoe 1915 Jan-Feb-Mar Emerson Chorlton Lancashire

Obviously, neither of them is the grandmother of someone who is 82 yrs old today.

The Margaret who married in 1852 married a George Sandoe, interestingly. This is them in 1861 in St Agnes:

George Sandoe 32
Margeret Sandoe 29
Elizabeth Sandoe 6
George Sandoe 8
James Sandoe 4
Mary Sandoe 2 Mo

They're both of an age to have been siblings of Isaac, but she couldn't have been his daughter.


One mistranscription I did guess at, in addition to the various ones that have appeared in the things I found upthread, is Lando/Landoe. There are indeed Sandoes mistranscribed as Landoe -- in Kenwyn, Truro and St Agnes -- but no Isaac or Margaret.


I think before we can go further, you need those certificates, and we need to know whom this mysterious Margaret Sandoe married!

Hello Gerri! Missed you there, coming between mine as I was typing away. Yes, it's what we procrastinating genealogy addicts dream of, isn't it just? ;)


Thought I'd look for widows Sandoe in St Agnes in 1841.


Name: Elizabeth Sandoe
Age: 42
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1799
Gender: Female
Where born: Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: St Agnes
Hundred: Pyder
County/Island: Cornwall
Country: England

Registration district: Truro
Sub-registration district: St Agnes

Elizabeth Sandoe 42
Caroline Sandoe 13
Elizabeth Sandoe 15 - tailoress
George Sandoe 21 - miner
Josiah Sandoe 11
Mary Sandoe 17
William Sandoe 8

She's the only widow lady Sandoe in St Agnes.

Oh look -- a Caroline in the family.

And look what we've found (by starting to make our way through the Truro parishes in the parish index to the IGI and searching for Sandoes by batch number):


Okay, DRUM ROLL PLEASE:


CAROLINE SANDOE
Christening: 14 JUN 1826 Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
Father: STEPHEN SANDOE
Mother: ELIZABETH


STEPHEN SANDOE and his wife.


In batch C022951, their other children are:

1. GEORGE SENDOE
Gender: Male Christening: 21 AUG 1821 Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
2. HENRY JAMES SANDO
Gender: Male Christening: 27 JAN 1828 Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
3. MARY HEATH BENNEY SANDOE
Gender: Female Christening: 08 JUN 1823 Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
4. CAROLINE SANDOE
Gender: Female Christening: 14 JUN 1826 Kenwyn, Cornwall, England
5. ELIZABETH SANDHOE
Gender: Female Christening: 03 APR 1825 Kenwyn, Cornwall, England

No bleeding Isaac. Those are the only baptisms in the IGI with parents Stephen Sandoe and Elizabeth.

The later children of that couple in 1841 -- William and Josiah -- aren't listed in the Kenwyn baptisms (did the family move to St Agnes at that point?), and Isaac would have been a later child. So WHERE IS HE in 1841???

Is there any chance that he is Josiah? Or William, even?


Just by the bye, this seems to be a birth and death within a short time so can be ruled out as your Emma Caroline; age at death was not recorded until the mid-1860s, but the birth cert would likely name the parents:

Births Dec 1862
SANDOE Caroline Truro 5c 170
Deaths Dec 1862
Sandoe Caroline Truro 5c 112

Oops sorry Katherine but i said it was Jessie Annie that was a witness at the wedding of Emma and Henry Price in1878 but it was Jane Annie Sandoe
sorry about that it would have thrown you off.Margaret Sandoe married a Charles Beaver she did in fact marry twice i am not sure who the other one was. You are doing really well keep it up. Lorraine

On my tangent, this is the birth of Samuel Sandoe bice:


SAMUEL SANDOE BICE
Birth: 22 OCT 1821
Christening: 11 NOV 1821 Wesleyan, Tavistock, Devon, England
Father: WILLIAM BICE
Mother: HONOUR


So at least I've been correct in surmising his mother was a Sandoe:


HONOR SANDOE
Spouse: WILLIAM BICE
Marriage: 26 NOV 1812 Stoke Damerel, Devon, England


Stoke Damerel is the place of birth given for Isaac Sandle in 1851, when he is in the navy. I suspect in that case that is because he signed on out of Plymouth.


Samuel seems to have been baptised twice:


SAMUEL BICE
Birth: 13 FEB 1819
Christening: 22 FEB 1819 Higher Chapel-Independent, Bere Alston, Devon, England
Father: BICE
Mother: HENOUR SANDER


In 1841, Honor Bice in St Blazey, Cornwall, born c1791, shows as born out of county, so there must have been a Devon branch. Sandoes born/living in Devon in the censuses seem to be connected with Kenwyn.

I just checked 1881 census and Margaret and Charles beaver were living in the same street as Isaac and Sarah Sands and there son James.
I think we are getting closer.
Lorraine

Aha -- Jane Annie, the one Sarah Jessie (daughter of Isaac by marriage to Sarah Swayne) was living with, in 1881. The one identified as daughter in the household of Jessie Sandoe in Cornwall in 1871. The one who is nowhere to be found in 1861, who married Thomas Searles -- whose marriage certificate you need to get!


Well ... no Charles Beaver married any Margaret, per FreeBMD. Other than a Charles Beaver who may have married Margaret Ann Errington in Westminster in 1852 -- and that obviously wasn't your Margaret. Oh, and one who may have married Frances Margaret E Mills in 1899.

This looks like them in 1901:

Charles Beaver 24
Esther Beaver 1
Frances Beaver 24 - born in Portsmouth c1877
Frances Moody 74

That just doesn't sound much like a Margaret who would be a sister of Emma Caroline, and it wouldn't likely have been a second marriage.


Your correspondent who is 82 is a descendant of the Beaver marriage? So he was born about 1915. His parent -- Margaret's child -- would have had to be born before 1895.

Do you not know, or can't you find out, who that was -- who your correspondent's parent, the child of Margaret, was? That would help to figure out who Margaret was married to, and thus find their marriage, and find out what it said about her father.

Because there really, really is no trace of this Margaret. No Margaret Sandoe birth, no Margaret Sandoe in the censuses, no marriage, etc.

I still don't know what evidence you have of her existence! Can you maybe repeat *everything* that your correspondent told you about her?

I may be doing well, but I really do need a little more help!

Ok here we go Margaret Sandoe who married Charles Beaver is the mother of Alice Richards who married Robert Redvers Sharp so she must have married Richards after Beaver.
HAPPY CHRISTMAS.
Lorraine

On Margarets birth cert or so i am told ( i don't have it ) her father is named as Isaac Sandoe Sail Maker. Alfred and Margaret Sharp are shown in 1901 as living in Bethnal Green.
Lorraine

Hmm.

"Ok here we go Margaret Sandoe who married Charles Beaver is the mother of Alice Richards who married Robert Redvers Sharp so she must have married Sharp after Beaver."

That doesn't make sense! She must be the mother of Alice *Sharp*, not Richards.


Marriages Sep 1893
** Beaver Margaret Bethnal Green 1c 412
Joyce Annie Alice Bethnal Green 1c 412
Riches John William Bethnal Green 1c 412
** Sharp Alfred Bethnal Green 1c 412

Okay, one down.


"On Margarets birth cert or so i am told ( i don't have it ) her father is named as Isaac Sandoe Sail Maker"

That must be: on Margaret's *marriage* certificate?


This is the likeliest candidate for being her first husband's death, if he was Charles Beaver:


Name: Charles Beaver
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Year of Registration: 1891
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 31
District: Bethnal Green
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 135


So, could this be them in 1891?


Name: Margaret Beaver
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, London, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St Jude
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green North
ED, institution, or vessel: 16a

Charles Beaver 33
Chas Beaver 8
Emma Beaver 4
James Beaver 1
Jenny Beaver 13
Louisa Beaver 11
Margaret Beaver 30


And here's Margaret in 1901:


Name: Margaret Sharp
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Alfred
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, London, England

Civil Parish: Bethnal Green
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: London
Country: England

Registration district: Bethnal Green
Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green, East
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Household schedule number: 477

Margaret Sharp 41
Alfred Sharp 30
Charles Bew 18 - those names should obviously all be Beaver
Emma Bew 14
James Bew 11
Jennie Bew 21
Louisa Bew 20
Alfred Sharp 6
Jessie Sharp 3
Maggie Sharp 8
Robert Sharp 1


So -- Margaret was born at virtually the same time as Emma Caroline, but in Stepney (if the censuses are to be believed). And that is one load o' kids she had!

Margaret would be the mother of Robert Sharp who married Alice Richards, not the other way around, presumably. I miscalculated your correspondent's date of birth, btw -- it would be 1925, not 1915, duh, so the marriage and birth are too late to be transcribed yet.


The next problem is that none of those Beavers is to be found in 1881, when the first two daughters, Jennie and Louisa, should have been there. Were they daughters of Charles or Margaret by a previous marriage?

Aha, this will be daughter Louisa:

Name: Louisa Margaret Beaver
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Bethnal Green
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 228

Here we are, in 1881:

Name: Margaret Mar. Beaver
Age: 23
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1858
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Charles W.
Gender: Female
Where born: Stepney, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Hamlet
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 250 Oxford St
Condition as to marriage: Married

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 24

Charles W. Beaver 33
John P. Beaver 1
Louisa M. Beaver
Margaret Mar. Beaver 23


And look who's living right next door:


Name: Isaac Sands
Age: 53
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sarah
Gender: Male
Where born: Cornwall, England

Civil Parish: Hamlet
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address: 250 Oxford St
Condition as to marriage: Married
Occupation: Sailor

Registration district: Mile End Old Town
Sub-registration district: Mile End Old Town, Western
ED, institution, or vessel: 24

Isaac Sands 53
James Sands 16
Sarah Sands 49


Just what I reproduced a dozen posts back -- and Margaret was living next door all the time.