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My husband's tree has 3 cousins, all John Stride, born in Evercreech, Somerset c1835-1838.

One of them is on the 1881 Wales census at 20 Bertram St, Roath, Glamorgan. He is living with his wife Mary Stride, and her married daughter Jemima Ingram age 18, and grandson William J Ingram age 4 months, and unmarried daughter Mary J Weyman age 28, and a boarder.

I'm after Mary Stride's maiden name. Have tried freeBMD for a marriage of John Stride to Mary "Weyman" or variations in case mis-spelt. Have tried for marriage of Jemima "Weyman" or Jemima with any surname to an Ingram - again no luck. Grandson William John Ingram birth registered Mar qtr 1881 as Ingram, so I'm assuming that surname is right.

Any lateral ideas (or obvious ones I'm missing - but not really keen on paying to get William's BC at this point)

Thanks,

Fiona

Hi Fiona,

Because the daughters have different surnames to John Stride, I'd assume that they were Mary's from a previous marriage.

I've found the following entry for a Mary Weymon with daughters Mary J and a weirdly spelt Gemima . Mary J's age is out of whack but evrything else seems to fit.


1871 Wales Census
about Mary Waymon
Name: Mary Waymon
Age: 37
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Wife
Gender: Female
Where born: Largler, Glamorgan, Wales

Civil Parish: Canton
Ecclesiastical parish: Llandaff
Town: Canton
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 816
Household Members: Name Age
Gumandson Waymon 9 <<<<<<<image reads Gemina?
Mary Waymon 37
Mary J Waymon 11








Deb:)

Thanks Deb - so it is Weymon there? No way I would have found Jemima.

So Mary is listed as wife in 1871 census? Whose wife? Mr Weymon or John Stride?

Thanks,

Fiona

Jemima's birth cert will give you her mother's name.



Name: Jemima Wyman
Year of Registration: 1864
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Cardiff (1837-1974)
County: Glamorgan, Monmouthshire
Volume: 11a
Page: 219






Deb:)

This is the only marriage that I could find for a Richard Weyman to a Mary:



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Name: Mary Ann Rodway
Year of Registration: 1853
Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec
District: Gloucester (1837-1937)
County: Gloucestershire
Volume: 6a



Mary Ann Rodway 1853 Oct-Nov-Dec Gloucester (1837-1937) Gloucestershire


Richard Weyman 1853 Oct-Nov-Dec Gloucester (1837-1937) Gloucestershire





Deb:)

lol, I'm even more confused.

So Mary Wyman/Waymon/Weyman/Whyman was a widow in 1861 but Jemima was registered as Wyman in 1864??

A V-E-R-Y long pregnancy!

Has anyone had any luck finding Mary's marriage to John Stride?

Thanks,

Fiona

Hang on. Look what I found. Jemima might not be illegitimate after all!



Name: John Weyman
Year of Registration: 1861
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Clun
County: Montgomeryshire, Shropshire
Volume: 6a



John Weyman 1861 Apr-May-Jun Clun Montgomeryshire, Shropshire


Mary Ann Weyman 1861 Apr-May-Jun Clun Montgomeryshire, Shropshire



Deb:)


P.S The only way you'll know for sure is to order both daughters birth certs.

OK, FreeBMD has a Death for Richard Wayman
Dec qtr1859 Cardiff 11a 127.

edited to add - Shropshire and Gloucestershire marriages?
I've only been looking in Wales!

I don't think that is the right Jemima - or else a lot more is wrong, lol! (Not married at 1881 census and surname Williams)

Marriages Dec 1884
Ingram Uriah Merthyr T 11a 885
Williams Jemina Merthyr T. 11a 885

Actually - all this is sort of an aside unless it links to my tree :) - I'm mainly after who John Stride married - and so far it's only the 1881 census that ties him to this family, without a marriage recorded.

can't find Jemima or William after 1881

I'm beginning to think the whole family had an aversion to marriage, lol! Can't find a register for any of them!


Edit- or maybe just an aversion to telling the bureacracy anthing accurate!

Just nudging now I'm here and awake.

Can anyone find John Stride's marriage to Mary Weyman/ Wyman/Waymon?

If she is listed as "wife" on the 1871 census, is she married to John Stride or someone else? Which could narrow down search dates.

Is John Stride still with her on the 1891 census?

Thanks,

Fiona

Hi Fiona,

Although the ancestry transcription says that Mary was a wife in 1871, the actual image says widow. So she's a widow for the second time.

I can't find the marriage to John Stride and unfortunately, there's no sign of any of them after 1881.

They either all died or migrated possibly. What a mysterious family!!!!



Deb:)

Hi,

I had John Stride possibly being the John Stride that died (freeBMD Deaths Dec qtr 1898 Stride John age 58 Cardiff 11a 170) since the ages are close and he was there in 1881. But for that to be right I'd still expect him there in 1891 (with or without Mary...and the rest).

Fiona

1891

Name: John S Frede (John Stride)
Age: 57
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Evercrich, Somerset, England

Civil Parish: Roath
Ecclesiastical parish: Roath
Town: Roath
County/Island: Glamorgan
Country: Wales

Street address: View Image
Condition as to marriage: View Image
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Occupation: View Image

Registration district: Cardiff
Sub-registration district: Cardiff
ED, institution, or vessel: 1a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
William England 10
John S Frede 57
Mary Frede 56


Source Citation: Class: RG12; Piece: 4385; Folio 21; Page 35; GSU roll: 6099495.

Andy

Great, I hadn't thought that laterally with surnames. So possibly William England is William Ingram (right age) without his parents?

So perhaps there is a marriage between 1871 and 1881, for John and Mary - but the name transcription is the problem?

Fiona

So if John wasn't with Mary in 1871, can anyone find him somewhere else in the census?

I have him and his 2 cousins in 1841, 1851 and 1861, then none of them in 1871. Think at least one emigrated, but my guess is that this one (my husband's gg grandfather's brother) should still be there, in England or Wales?

Thanks!

bump - can anyone please find John on the 1871 census - then I can shelve this family for now *grin*

Thanks

Hi, Sorry - someone already found it for me and it wasn't ours, so they deleted the post.

Lol, I'm happy to give up on the Wyman's since we can't actually find the marriage of John to Mary - but would still like to locate John Stride on the 1871 census if anyone has fresh eyes or thinking.

Thanks!