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Thank you Margaret
Yes the 1st marriage is the right one
Thanks for the Christening details for two of the children
Val

2 children of Robert & Jane? Also from BVRI:

COWAN, John Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 17 Sep 1855 Recorded in: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Collection: All Saints
Father: Robert COWAN
Mother: Jane
Source: FHL Film 1068964 Dates: 1843 - 1864

COWAN, Thomas Christening
Gender: Male
Christening Date: 9 Mar 1857 Recorded in: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Collection: All Saints
Father: Robert COWAN
Mother: Jane
Source: FHL Film 1068964 Dates: 1843 - 1864

Could this be the first marriage? It's from BVRI:

ARTHUR, Thomas Marriage
Wife: Jane PRINGLE
Marriage Date: 23 Sep 1844 Recorded in: Newcastle Upon Tyne, Northumberland, England
Collection: All Saints
Husband's Father: John ARTHUR
Wife's Father: Thomas PRINGLE
Source: FHL Film 1068969 Dates: 1844 - 1847

Ivy

thanks for the 1841 census i'll have a look at the IGI
On my g grandfather's & 2 of his brother's birth cert's she has reverted back to her maiden name i have a birth cert for there daughter Jane b1861 but Jane (mother) maiden name looks like bengabe or Bengalie. i think its miscribed.
Val

Hi Valerie,

Glad to have helped a bit - I am struggling with the 1841 though!

I see that although Thomas and Mary are born in Warkworth, and Margaret and Jane in Bilton/Lesbury, the children were born in Newcastle, so this family is likely to be there in 1841.

A possibility for Thomas and Margaret in 1841 is below - the sons George and William fit, but there is no Jane here; the older children John (23 by 1851) and Margaret (17 by 1851) may have left home - but if this is the same family, I wonder what happened to Robert?

Name: Thomas Pregler (image may say Pringle)
Age: 45
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1796
Gender: Male
Where born: Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: All Saints
Hundred: Tindale (West Division)
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Newcastle upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: All Saints

Household Members:
Name Age
George Pregler 4
John Pregler 13
Margaret Pregler 40
Margaret Pregler 7
Robert Pregler 2 Mo
Thomas Pregler 45
William Pregler 10

If anything else strikes me, I'll get back to you.

All the best

PS the IGI has extracted Pringle records from a non-conformist church in Alnwick (not sure whether these would be your family, though) - the batch ref is C080301

Wow Ivy Thank you so much
i have struggled with my gg grandparents for ages
but you are brilliant i will do a lengthy search of the 1851 census to find Jane
many thanks
Val

I think I'll have to leave it for now.

None of the three Bamburgh/Morpeth/Tynemouth entries appear to fit with the 1851 census entry above.

You may have to widen the search for different spellings, and cross-check against the others on the 1851 census, which whilst possible, could be a little lengthy. I hope you do strike lucky soon.

All the best

OK, going back to 1841 -

there are 7 instances of Jane Pringle in Northumberland in 1841:

b 1821 at Earsdon (prob unlikely since ages are rounded down)

b 1826 in Northumberland:
Bamburgh, Morpeth and Tynemouth entries

b 1826 but not in Northumberland (can prob therefore discount this one)

b 1830 Warkworth
b 1831 Alnwick
(these two are possible, but at ages 11 and 10, they look too young).

Actually, the transcription above does not do justice to this household:

on the image, in order, they are:

Thomas Pringle, Head, Widr*, 56 (Occupation Cartman's Wife - as ditto from the previous household)
Margaret Pringle, Wife*, Mar 51
Jane Ather, Sister, Mar, 29
Sarah Ather, Daur, U, 4
George Pringle, Son of Head, U, 14
William Pringle, Son of Head, U, 20
Mary Lowan, Visitor, Mar, 28
John M(..)ers, Visitor, U, 20

*I'm not sure how the widower/wife entries stack up for Thomas and Margaret

Lowan looks an odd name to me. There are just 4 instances on the 1851 England census, so could it be an mistranscription by the enumerator for Cowan(s)?

OK, I think I have it now (apologies, rather went all round the houses on this one!)

Name: Sarah Alther
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1847
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: Newcastle, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Newcastle Upon Tyne All Saints
Town: Newcastle Upon Tyne
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: All Saints
ED, institution, or vessel: 8

Household schedule number: 204
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Alther 29
Sarah Alther 4
Margaret Pringle 51
Thomas Pringle 56

Bilton and Lesbury are small villages either side of the river, between Alnwick and Alnmouth. However, looking for Jane born approx 1827 in Alnwick brought up only a servant (a nurse, and a widow, according to the image):

Name: Jane Athey
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Servant
Gender: Female
Where born: Alnwick, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Jesmond
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Northumberland
Country: England

Registration district: Newcastle Upon Tyne
Sub-registration district: Byker
ED, institution, or vessel: 4b

Household schedule number: 242
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Athey 25 <<<<<< ?? (suspect not)
Rachael Elliott 16
Mary Ogle 31
Mary J Ogle 3
Robert Ogle 33
Robert B E Ogle 7 Mo
Jane Ormston 32

(Edited - the posting on the next page is much more likely)

Looking for deaths of Thomas Art* between 1844 and 1851, the 50 or so listed for England and Wales are mainly in Southern England. Discounting some Lancashire and Yorkshire ones, there is a death in Gateshead in the Sep qtr 1849 of Thomas Arthur.

Although Sarah Arter is shown as boarder on the 1861 census, she may be Jane's child from a previous marriage.

Free BMD has this marriage (amongst others) for a Jane Pringle:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Sep 1844 (>99%)
ARTHUR Thomas Newcastle T 25 269 <<<<<< ??
CARSON William Newcastle Te 25 269
DOUGLAS Margaret Newcastle Tyne 25 269
HUMPHREY John Halstead Newcastle Te 25 269
McCLENNELL Mary Ann Newcastle T 25 269
NICHOLSON Elizabeth Newtle Tyne 25 269
PRINGLE Jane Newtle Tyne 25 269
SKELTON Thomas Newcastle T 25 269

The 1861 and the 1871 census returns both show two Robert Cowans born in Northumberland - this is the marriage of the other Robert:

Surname First name(s) District Vol Page
Marriages Jun 1855 (>99%)
COWANS Robert Rothbury 10b 494
MILBURN Eleanor Rothbury 10b 494

(As an aside, I see Robert may well be in Scotland in 1851 - see Parish: Hownam; ED: 1; Line: 6; Year: 1851- but Jane is not in that household)

- and a third alternative from 1871:

Name: Jane Cowans
Age: 44
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1827
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: Chester, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Witton Gilbert
Ecclesiastical parish: Sacriston St Peter
Town: Sacriston
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Registration district: Chester Le Street
Sub-registration district: Chester le Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 16

Household schedule number: 164
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Cowans 44
Jane Cowans 9
John Cowans 15
Robert Cowans 43
Robert Cowans 12
Thomas Cowans 14
William Cowans 6

Just posting 1881 with an alternative place of birth for Jane:

Name: Jane Cowans
Age: 55
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1826
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: Bilton, Northumberland, England

Civil Parish: Heworth
County/Island: Durham
Country: England

Street address: 11 Railway Row
Condition as to marriage: Married
Education:

Employment status:

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Registration district: Gateshead
Sub-registration district: Heworth
ED, institution, or vessel: 8a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Jane Cowans 55
Jane Cowans 20
John Cowans 25
Robert Cowans 54
Robert Cowans 22
Thomas Cowans 23
William Cowans 16

yeah i have 3 birth certs 1st is for my g grandfather & his 2 brother's

have you got anyone's birth cert - how do you know her name was Pringle?

thats them i can find them after 1861 i just cant find them before very puzzling!!!! i think