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Alice Stanley/Evelyn Minshall/Wm Lambert

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JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 28 Dec 2007 16:40

My goodness! I usually get pedagogic with obvious rank newbies, but you flew under the radar. ;)

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

FreeBMD is the outfit that's busy transcribing the General Registry Office index of births, marriages and deaths from 1837 forward.

One handy trick I didn't realize was possible for the longest time is that you can search for marriages by both parties' surnames (which can't be done at Ancestry until 1911 when the surnames started being tied in the GRO index). You won't find definite confirmation of a marriage between two particular parties, but you'll find where the two surnames appear on the same page, usually as two of four. Sometimes if you search for, say, Smith and Brown, you'll get a page with a Jane Smith and a Mary Brown. And if you do get a John Smith and a Mary Brown, you can't be sure they married each other without getting the certificate.

Actually, you can also search by given names -- if you want to find out who Mary, the wife of your John Smith in 1881 was, you can search for marriages of a John Smith, 1875 to 1881, in Essex (for example), to a Mary. Works better if the names are a little more unusual. ;)


As to your particular couple -- Alice was from Sunderland, but keep in mind that William married in Hampstead, and that is where that Evelyn was in 1901. He could have been working there for a while or some such. Let us know when you have the certificate! If the wife turns out to have been Evelyn, I'll bet that the 1910 birth is their daughter.

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 28 Dec 2007 13:32

Thanks Kathryn, I think Alice is more likely as the family were born in and lived in Sunderland .
What is freeBMD? and where do I find it? Ignorance is NOT bliss!

Liz

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 27 Dec 2007 23:13

The only Evelyn Minshall in the birth index seems a little old:

Evelyn Minshall
1870 Jul-Aug-Sep
Greenwich


Although hmm, this one shows up in 1901, and is very likely the one in that marriage list:

Name: Evelyn M Minshall
Age: 19
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1882
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas E - Secretary, Natn Educ Assn
Mother's Name: Sarah S
Where born: Totteridge, Hertfordshire, England
Civil Parish: Hampstead
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: London


But here's a likely-looking Alice Maud Stanley:


Name: Alice Maud Stanley
Year of Registration: 1880
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Sunderland
County: Durham, Tyne and Wear
Volume: 10a
Page: 627


In 1901:


Name: Alice Stanley
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John A - School Board Officer
Mother's Name: Matilda
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Sunderland
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew
County/Island: Durham


Maybe the Stanley and Minshall fathers were acquainted. ;)

They look about neck and neck in the running for wife of William, although Minshall was likely a little more upper crust.

JaneyCanuck

JaneyCanuck Report 27 Dec 2007 23:06

I remember these people!

http://genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=957604

Name: William Osborne Lambert
Age: 12
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1879
Relation: Boarder
Where born: Sunderland, Durham, England
Civil Parish: Battersea
Ecclesiastical parish: St Michael
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: Wandsworth
Sub-registration district: West Battersea
ED, institution, or vessel: Emanuel School


Of course the only way to know which woman William married is to order the marriage certificate:

Name: William Osborne Lambert
Year of Registration: 1909
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Hampstead
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 1610

However, you can also check (at Ancestry or FreeBMD) for Lambert births (after mid-1911) with mother's surname Stanley or Minshall.

... which I'll bet you've done, and found none of either, as I just did. ;)

There were a half-dozen Lambert births between 1900 and 1911 in Hampstead, though, including one that might have been a daughter of the Lambert-Minshall couple, if such there was:

Name: Evelyn C Lambert
Year of Registration: 1910
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Hampstead
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1a
Page: 544

If you get the marriage certificate and it has an address on it where you think the couple might have then lived, you could apply for the record for that address in the 1911 census, to see whether they were there / had any children:

http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/1911census

Penny

Penny Report 27 Dec 2007 22:58

his marriage cert holds the answer. send for it?

Minshall is a nice distinctive name - might be worth a look on free bmd - see any Lambert births with right MMN

update
Clarke births MMN Minshall = 0
Lambert MMN Minshall = 0

Elizabeth

Elizabeth Report 27 Dec 2007 22:29

One of these ladies married Wm Lambert in Hampstead 1909 is there anyone out there who has any information about them? William is a Great Uncle I know nothing about, he was born in Sunderland in 1879 his father was a Doctor. He was never mentioned in the family and I'd love to know more about him and to find his descendants who would be cousins of mine.