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1901 Scotland Census
about Jamima Murphy
Name: Jamima Murphy
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1886
Relationship: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Maxwelton, Dumfrieshire
Registration Number: 578/1
Registration district: Ayr
Civil Parish: Ayr
Town: Ayr
County: Ayrshire
Address: 20 New Bridge St
Occupation: Mill Worker
ED: 9
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 1
Roll: CSSCT1901_217
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Murphy 30
James Murphy 12
James Murphy 8
Jamima Murphy 15
Jamima Murphy 1
John Murphy 38
Robert Murphy 3

I tried Jemima, Mima & Mina & found nothing, sorry

This is only what I think happened

Annie Murphie (could be the one with Jane) & David Glbertson had a baby Jemima.
For some reason David didn't marry Annie, he spent the next 20 odd years working as a farm servant for the Graham family but never married. By 1901 he was back home & had a better job on the railways as a plate layer
David's parents either raised or helped raise Jemima whilst Annie remained single & living with her sister Jane who was a butcher!
The only problem is I can't find Jemima on the 1901 census for England or Scotland.

Until the 19th century almost all adoptions were handled informally. If a young woman was pregnant and wanted to place her child, she did, with whomever she wanted. Usually it was done with the advice and consent of her parents, and generally, the child was placed with a family member or someone from her local town. There were no agencies, counselors, attorneys, or facilitators. No legal papers were ever filed, the government didn’t get involved, and no one but the birth mother and her parents were ever consulted as to the welfare of the child.

In the late 19th century, closed adoption was born. The Victorian era had arrived to the detriment of our children. Children considered illegitimate were locked up and hidden away. Birth mothers became the scourge of society. They were labeled misfits, outcasts, bad girls, and were secretly whisked away to give birth to their children in nunnery’s and secret hospitals across the nation. Such women were considered immoral, disallowing them the freedom of choice given to them and their families in the past.

Agencies soon had complete power over the child, and birth mothers had little, if any, rights to their newborn babies. Infants were torn from their mother’s arms and taken to orphanages where adoptive families picked out babies and children with no known background or medical history. During the 19th century, this was purely a reflection of societal change. Laws making adoption secret were not passed until the late 1940’s and 50’s. Most baby- boomers grew up with the idea that a closed adoption is normal. In fact, it isn’t normal, and, it isn’t right.

Michelle

Jemima could have just been staying with the Grandparents on the night of the census?or being educated in that area.

Was common at these times.

Michelle

1881 Scotland Census
about George Gilbertson
Name: George Gilbertson
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Cummertrees, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 817
Registration district: Cummertrees
Civil Parish: Cummertrees
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Powfoot Village
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 25
Line: 6
Roll: cssct1881_321
Household Members: Name Age
Elizabeth Gilbertson 11
George Gilbertson 7
Jane Ann Gilbertson 10
Janet Gilbertson 1
John Gilbertson 45
Margaret Gilbertson 44
Mary Gilbertson 15

Michelle

George(Uncle) in 1901 Census he was listed as a fisherman

1901 Scotland Census
about George Gilbertson
Name: George Gilbertson
Age: 26
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Cummertrees, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 817
Registration district: Cummertrees
Civil Parish: Cummertrees
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Powfoot Stuartville Quunsberry Cottage
Occupation: Fisherman (whitefish)
ED: 2
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 18
Roll: CSSCT1901_428
Household Members: Name Age
David Gilbertson 41
George Gilbertson 26
John Gilbertson 64
Margaret Gilbertson 63
Margaret E Moffat 10

Michelle

1891 Scotland Census
about George Gilbertson
Name: George Gilbertson
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Cummertrees, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 817
Registration district: Cummertrees
Civil Parish: Cummertrees
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Powfoot Village
Occupation: Tailor's Apprentice
ED: 2
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 11
Roll: CSSCT1891_391
Household Members: Name Age
George Gilbertson 16
Janet Gilbertson 11
John Gilbertson 55
Margaret Gilbertson 54
Margaret E Moffat 1
Jemima Murphie 7

1891 Scotland Census
about Janet Gilbertson
Name: Janet Gilbertson
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1880
Relationship: Daur (Daughter)
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Female
Where born: Cummertrees, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 817
Registration district: Cummertrees
Civil Parish: Cummertrees
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Powfoot Village
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 12
Roll: CSSCT1891_391
Household Members: Name Age
George Gilbertson 16
Janet Gilbertson 11
John Gilbertson 55
Margaret Gilbertson 54
Margaret E Moffat 1
Jemima Murphie 7


These are prob the Aunty and Uncle you mentioned living with Jemima's grandparents in 1891 census.They were son and daughter of Jemima's grandparents.

Michelle

this is the only Annie Murphy I can find who lived in the right area


1881 Scotland Census
about Annie Murphie
Name: Annie Murphie
[Annie Murphy]
Age: 22
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1859
Relationship: Daughter
Father's Name: Peter
Gender: Female
Where born: Dumfries
Registration Number: 821
Registration district: Dumfries
Civil Parish: Dumfries
Town: Dfs
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: 2 English St.
ED: 12
Page: 2 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 10
Line: 13
Roll: cssct1881_322
Household Members: Name Age
Ellen Lawrie 22
Janet Lawrie 24
Annie Murphie 22
Jane Murphie 29
Peter Murphy 65
John Paton 20

1891 Scotland Census
about Annie Murphy
Name: Annie Murphy
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relationship: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: Dunge, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 882
Registration district: Troqueer
Civil Parish: Troqueer
Town: Maxwelltown
County: Kirkcudbrightshire
Address: Stansfield
ED: 6
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 32
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1891_404
Household Members: Name Age
Mary Flint 25
Annie Murphy 28
Jane Murphy 37

Different David
1891
David John Gilbertson Annie Murray abt 1852 Gretna, Dumfriesshire Head Cummertrees Dumfriesshire

Murray could be Annie's mothers maiden name?I have a few like that on my tree where the mothers maiden name is used as a middle name.Worth thinking about.

Michelle

David John Gilbertson married Annie Murray Wright in 1883 Dumfries

but it looks like David didn't marry

1901 Scotland Census
about David Gilbertson
Name: David Gilbertson
Age: 41
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Cummertrees, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 817
Registration district: Cummertrees
Civil Parish: Cummertrees
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Powfoot Stuartville Quunsberry Cottage
Occupation: Railway Surfaceman
ED: 2
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 14
Line: 17
Roll: CSSCT1901_428
Household Members: Name Age
David Gilbertson 41
George Gilbertson 26
John Gilbertson 64
Margaret Gilbertson 63
Margaret E Moffat 10

1891 Scotland Census
about Annie Murray Gilbertson
Name: Annie Murray Gilbertson
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relationship: Wife
Spouse's name : David John
Gender: Female
Where born: Kelton, Kirkcudbright
Registration Number: 817
Registration district: Cummertrees
Civil Parish: Cummertrees
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Longfords Cottage
Occupation: Ploughman or Ag Labr Wife
ED: 3
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 21
Line: 2
Roll: CSSCT1891_391
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Elliott 47
Annie Murray Gilbertson 31
David John Gilbertson 39
James Gilbertson 11 Mos
Robert Gilbertson 4
William Gilbertson 2
Agnes Wright 27


Possible for Annie and David?

Michelle

They had a son David

1871 Scotland Census
about David Gilbertson
Name: David Gilbertson
Age: 11
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1860
Relationship: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Margaret
Gender: Male
Where born: Cummertrees, Dumfriesshire
Registration Number: 817
Registration district: Cummertrees
Civil Parish: Cummertrees
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Hillhouse
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Page: 7 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 31
Line: 4
Roll: CSSCT1871_182
Household Members: Name Age
David Gilbertson 11
Elizabeth Gilbertson 1
George Gilbertson 3
Isidoros Gilbertson 14
Jane A Gilbertson 1 Mo
Janet Gilbertson 9
John Gilbertson 34
Margaret Gilbertson 33
Mary Gilbertson 5
William Gilbertson 7

Looks hopeful from 1891 Census with her Grandparents

1891 Scotland Census
about Jemima Murphie
Name: Jemima Murphie
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relationship: Grand Daur (Granddaughter)
Gender: Female
Where born: Maxweltown, Kirkcudbrightshire
Registration Number: 817
Registration district: Cummertrees
Civil Parish: Cummertrees
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Powfoot Village
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1891_391
Household Members: Name Age
George Gilbertson 16
Janet Gilbertson 11
John Gilbertson 55
Margaret Gilbertson 54
Margaret E Moffat 1
Jemima Murphie 7

Michelle

Any help?

1891 Scotland Census
about Jemima Murphie
Name: Jemima Murphie
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1884
Relationship: Grand Daur (Granddaughter)
Gender: Female
Where born: Maxweltown, Kirkcudbrightshire
Registration Number: 817
Registration district: Cummertrees
Civil Parish: Cummertrees
County: Dumfriesshire
Address: Powfoot Village
Occupation: Scholar
ED: 2
Page: 4 (click to see others on page)
Household schedule number: 16
Line: 13
Roll: CSSCT1891_391
Household Members: Name Age
George Gilbertson 16
Janet Gilbertson 11
John Gilbertson 55
Margaret Gilbertson 54
Margaret E Moffat 1
Jemima Murphie 7

Any info of any kind please
My GGranmother was illegitimate as it say's on her birth
certificate which I have.
Her name was Jemima Murphie born 13.06.1883,
at number 4 ---tchells lane, N or M --welltown,
Kirkcudbright.
Her mother's name was Annie Murphie.
I have Jemima marriage certificate it say's that
her father's name was David Gilbertson,
so Annie must have gone on to marry him,
was he her real dad,
when and where did they marry.
Did Annie and David have any more kid's?
On Jemima marriage certificate she appears as
Mina Gilbertson she married William Herbert Jones
on 02.06.1907 in Bootle.
I won't hold my breath as I know it's a long shot.
Regards Tina. X