I am trying to find out what happened to my gtx2grandfather William Joseph Cross. Born c1861 in Northampton. Married Charlotte Isabella Bishop in 1882 at Bethnal Green London.He is on the 1891 census. I believe that they separated after that. Children were Charlotte,Mary Ann[Polly] ,William, Edward and Alice. Any help appreciated.
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Heres mum Charlotte witha Alice Mary in the 1901....Alice Mary could be Mary A
Charlotte Cross Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Boarder Gender: Female Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less County/Island: London Country: England Street address:
Occupation:
Condition as to marriage:
Education:
Employment status: View Image Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green, East ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 304 Household Members: Name Age Alice Mary Cross 12 Charlotte Cross 37 Emma M Lucking 1 Emma M J Lucking 22 Thomas H Lucking 2 Thomas Wm Lucking 21 Violet E Lucking 19
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Charlotte called herself "single" in 1901:
Name: Charlotte Cross Age: 37 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1864 Relation: Boarder Where born: Bethnal Green, London, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St James the Less County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green, East ED, institution, or vessel: 3 Household schedule number: 304
Alice Mary Cross 12 Charlotte Cross 37
So separation might sound more likely than death.
It helps to know that he went by Joseph, not William, btw! -- at least in the the 1891 census.
Don't see the other Cross children in 1901 either. There are only Mary Ann and Charlotte in 1891 -- aged 5 and 9.5, likely independent by 1901; was Edward younger?
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Was Edward named Albert Edward, by any chance?
Name: Albert Edward Cross Year of Registration: 1881 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Bethnal Green County: Greater London, London, Middlesex Volume: 1c Page: 222
-- right place, could have been born before marriage.
1891:
Name: Alberd Edward Cross Age: 10 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Relation: Boarder - noted "(Dr. Barnardo's)" Where born: London, England Civil Parish: Wedmore Ecclesiastical parish: Theale Town: Theale County/Island: Somerset Country: England Registration district: Axbridge Sub-registration district: Wedmore
1901:
Name: Albert Edward Cross Age: 20 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1881 Where born: London, Middlesex, England Civil Parish: Aldershot Military in Stanhope and Wellington Lines Ecclesiastical parish: Aldershot St Michael County/Island: Hampshire Country: England Registration district: Farnham Sub-registration district: Aldershot ED, institution, or vessel: Brigade Division Royal Horse Artillery Household schedule number: 1
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I do know that Alice was with her maternal grandparents at the time of the 1901 census but have not found the other children.Could be they have been left off the census as I do know that they did not leave Bethnal Green.Thanks for your help.
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Hmm. Both Julie and I thought that was Alice with her mother in 1901. But this is her? -- i.e. she was 7 in 1901, not 12?
Name: Alice Cross Age: 7 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894 Relation: Granddaughter Gender: Female Where born: Whitechapel, London, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St Simon Zelotes County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green, East ED, institution, or vessel: 20 Household schedule number: 384
Alice Bishop 48 Henry H Bishop 62 Alice Cross 7
So I'm not mistaken about this being them in 1891? --
Name: Joseph Cross Age: 29 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862 Relation: Head Spouse's Name: Charlotte Gender: Male Where born: Northamptonshire, England Civil Parish: Bethnal Green Ecclesiastical parish: St John Town: London County/Island: London Country: England Registration district: Bethnal Green Sub-registration district: Bethnal Green East ED, institution, or vessel: 12b
Joseph Cross 29 Charlotte Cross 27 Charlotte Cross 5 Mary A Cross 9/12
-- no William, Edward or Alice. (Oops, Mary Ann was 9/12 in 1891, not 9.5 yrs.)
Not having any clue what the birthdates of the children you named are (you haven't said; don't you know?), it isn't really possible to offer any more assistance in finding them. Also don't know how you know the children didn't leave Bethnal Green, e.g. how to rule out that Albert Edward Cross in a Barnardo's home in 1891.
If you do have birth records for the kids, do offer up their years of birth, and maybe some search engine trickery could be employed to find 'em. Without at least an approximate age, not much hope.
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