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frances mary may not have been born in england ?

adoption posseble ?
why shown deid on marage cert.

No, no checks , information only as good as the couple gave. Now, assuming the marriage age was correct but there is no birth registrationfor a Frances Mary Anderson, i looked for other Frances Mary's born 1889 and there was one in Strood where she married , a FRANCES MARY MARTIN. Could this be the same person. I went back to 1891 census and she is with parents Harry Martin 28 and Frances Martin 24 but not on 1901. Checked deaths for parents between census 1891 and 1901 and there is a death of a Harry Martin end 1891 that matches his birth year (from census info) and a death of an Ada Frances Martin 1900 who matches Frances Martins birth year from census. Of course this is only an idea and could be nothing to do with your family just me playing detective. Perhaps raised with an Anderson family?

thanks to all the help
have a happy new year and good huntting
doug

julie
would she have not have to have showen some form of i.d when she maried?

The 1901 census family with Thomas H and Elizabeth as parents does not tally with 1891 info.

Also two children aged 19 in the same household in 1901 but not twins, Edward and Frances? Could she have been born under another surname and 'taken in' by the Andersons.

DOH, didnt see the marriage date -

If she was the Alfrida b 1899 she was too young to marry in 1910

names of siberlings
eric
ernest
alfred
violet
thomas
frances
betty
william#
constance
george
daphne
i serpose that you say the first three could be norwegian?

Thats a brilliant bit of work Bernadette - Id certainly be thinking about it.

Douglas, what did she name the children? Do the names tie in at all with the Norwegian sailors family?

it may be but i have know way of finding out for shore ,iv asked my wifes mother she just looked blank?
she do,not know much about her mother.

The following birth record may well be in keeping with the 1881 Census result I forwarded. "Elfrida" being a Norwegian name and may well have been dropped


Name: Elfrida Frances M Anderson
Year of Registration: 1899
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Eastry
County: Kent
Volume: 2a

if she gave the incorect age could she be hiding that she was a b***sted child if so is ther a way of finding out?

The information on the bill is only as good as the informant told him. You cannot assume it to be concrete evidence. I have searched for a birth but there is none for the year you gave. If she gave an incorrect age on her marriage cert as she was older than her husband she could have carried this thro.

julie
the birh year is cacerlated from her undertakers bill whitch has her age when died 45 and year she died 1935

The West Ham birth reg is Frances Anna

The following looks promising;
On the original the Frances H could be a France M and the father John is listed as a seaman from Norway. If you would like a copy of the census please email me privately with your email address

1891 England Census
about Frances H Anderson
Name: Frances H Anderson
Age: 1
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Alice E
Gender: Female
Where born: West Ham, Essex, England

Civil Parish: West Ham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Luke
County/Island: Essex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: West Ham
Sub-registration district: West Ham
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alice E Anderson 25
Alice E Anderson 5
Catherine E Anderson 3
Frances H Anderson 1
John Anderson 32

Regards,
Bernadette

Can find no birth record in 1889 or a 12 yr old Frances on the 1901 census. How are you sure it is 1889

julie
frances was only 12 years old in 1901
thanks for looking

thanks yorkie for looking frances mary was born 1889 she maried at the age of 21