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Oh yes she is telling me things my mum cannot remember, she knows who the twins were as one of them was her grandfather and she as even mentioned my mum its brill

Result! Is she able to help you?

Janice, Just to let you know I made contact with Rachael and it is the same family

My mum also remembers Ethel and Mary which are Ernests siblings but she says there was another girl but she does not know what her name is.

My mum remembers Aunty florry so this is Ernest sister

Hi

Where did you get the names for female Helliwell's that you have already in your tree? Are these females siblings of Ernest? Or are these not connected to this part of the Helliwell family?

Yes it is worth an email thank you so muchxxxxxxxxxxxx thank you everyone xxxxx So much from one birth cert, I will deffo buy another now, never realised what doors it could open

Rachel also has Lucy Denton in her tree. Must be worth an e-mail!

thanks Janice will check that out, I absorbing all this info and relaying it to my mum on the phone, she as not been out of the house for years so this is exciting for her

Jaqueline these are the only one's that I could get on Free BMD.

You may get help on the following Website that has heaps of info for the Sheffield area

http://sheff-indexers.thewholeshebang.org

Someone on here called Rachel has Frank Helliwell in her tree.

Maddie those are deffo the siblings how many girls where there please? My mum is really vague with the Aunts names.

Free BMD:
Henry Hellewell married Phebe Longley, Sep. quarter 1869, Sheffield, Yorks, (9c 385)

1891 census (It's Hellewell here too)
High Green, Ecclesfield, Yorkshire
Henry Helliwell, head, 46, bone miner?, born Yorks, Kirkburton
Phebe, wife, 40, born Derbyshire, Ilkeston
Herbert, son, 15, coal miners labourer
Leonard, son, 10, scholar
George, son, 6, scholar
Lawrence W., son, 3
William, son, 2
Children all born Ecclesfield.

Siblings of Ernest ???


Sep 1913
Helliwell Frank Denton Wortley 9c 716
Helliwell Wilfred Denton Wortley 9c 718

Births Jun 1916
Helliwell Harold Denton Wortley 9c 677

All three show Mothers maiden name as Denton, would send to for birth certs to confirm for certain

Joanne

1891 census
High Green, Ecclesfield, Yorkshire
Thomas Denton, head, 50, iron moulder
Harriet, wife, 48
Fred, son, 21, general labourer
Lucy, dau, 14
John, son, 12, scholar
Ann, dau, 10, scholar
All born Ecclesfield except father Thomas born Nortley, Yorks.

Thank you very very much xxxxxxxxx Waited so long to find this out

1901 census (Name mistranscribed as Hellewell)
Mortomley, Ecclesfield, Yorkshire
Herbert Helliwell, head, 25, colliery labourer
Lucy, wife, 24
Born born Ecclesfield.

1901 no children yet

Herbert Hellewell
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Lucy
Gender: Male
Where born: Ecclesfield, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Ecclesfield
Ecclesiastical parish: Chapeltown St John And Mortomley St Saviour
Town: High Green
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Registration district: Wortley
Sub-registration district: Ecclesfield
Herbert Hellewell 25
Lucy Hellewell 24

The cert is really hard to read but it sounds like it is the right marriage thank you xxxxxxxxx