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I'm trying to find info on Albert Hurene c1890 married to Rebecca, they had a son called Harry c1920, who I believe was French Canadian, and served in the RAF in 1945ish.
I would be so grateful for any help with this.
Thank you
Dee

Hurene -- a very unusual surname. So unusual, in fact, that there are none in the 1911 Cdn census. ;)

But that census is an abomination, of course -- many entries completely illegible, badly scanned, abysmally transcribed. I'll have a go at tricking the search engine. Do you have any other info at all that could help locate him in space? Presumably he and Rebecca weren't married by 1911.

There is no one in the current Cdn phone book named Hurene.

http://findaperson.canada411.ca/

Google finds nothing that suggests it is a French or English surname. Are you taking the name from something where it could have been mistranscribed or misunderstood by the person who wrote it?

Any possibility of it being Morin?

There are an Albert and Rebecca Morin in the 1911 census in Mattawa in northeastern Ontario. That would be a Franco-Ontarian surname.

Birth records in most provinces are not accessible for 100 years, so finding a record of Harry's birth won't be possible.

If your Harry's family was in Quebec, BMD things are more complicated, and finding a record of the marriage problematic.

I just checked out an Albert Harcu in the 1906 western Canada census. The name is actually Houle, as would be plain to a bat, and certainly to anyone who had the least knowledge of French-Canadian names.

Might you be suffering from some similar gigantic blooper on someone's part?

There actually is this household in Ontario in the 1911:


George A Harene 45
Juris Harene 46
Malie Harene 7
Ausan Harene 7


I can't begin to tell what the image actually says. Obviously, Ausan will be Susan. Juris looks like it may be Judith.

Harene might be a possibility, though. There seems to be a smattering of them in England, per FreeBMD.

Ditto Harenc. One might be a mistranscription of the other.


In the 1861 English census there is a Major A.R. Harenc (it's transcribed Harene, but I read it as Harenc) in the 53rd Regiment in Devon, dob c1822.

I suspect he might be the Archibald R Harene who married in 1862. Yes, in the 1871 in Kent as Harene with wife Amy; it still looks like Harenc to me.

Edit; indeed, it was Harenc. Google tells me that Archibald was also famous for his cricket exploits. And:

Name: Archibald Richard Harenc
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1822
Year of Registration: 1884
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 62
District: Blandford
County: Dorset
Volume: 5a
Page: 145


Do you think that this might be the name?

I am informed by private message (grrrrr):


For the Hurene search if you follow this link there is a H Hurene listed in the RAF battle orders
http://www.rquirk.com/159list/159battle3.pdf


and I still say: bad handwriting, bad reading ...

-- there are numerous "?"s on the page, indicating illegible original. And I don't think "Woodhan", on that page, is a name either. Or "Poag". Or "Fristrom". So I think I'm right!

There's a reference here:

http://hrp.org.uk/Resources/Grace%20&%20Favour
%20-%20A%20handbook%20of%20who%20lived
%20where%20in%20Hampton%20Court%20Palace
%201750%20to%201950.pdf

to "Benjamin Harene". In fact, he was Benjamin Harenc, as google has confirmed; and I now know who these Harencs are:

http://www.bexley.gov.uk/localstudies/local_history/guide_pdfs/21_foots_cray_place.pdf

Benjamin Harenc
The Harenc family came to England as Huguenot refugees and little is known about them until they took up residence in Foots Cray. In 1777 Benjamin Harenc was appointed High Sheriff of Kent. He enlarged the estate, which passed on his death to his son, also called Benjamin. This son became a well known local benefactor and was a founder of both the Bromley Savings Bank and also the Foots Cray National School. Nevertheless in 1821 he sold the estate to Nicholas Vansittart for £28,056-16s-0d.



And I'm still betting on that. ;)

http://www.thepeerage.com/p609.htm

Amy Beatrix Harenc was the daughter of Maj.-Gen. Archibald Harenc.1 She married Harry Beauchamp Yerburgh, son of Reverend Richard Yerburgh and Susan Higgin, on 18 April 1899.1 She died on 25 October 1948.1


Amy Beatrix Harenc 1899 Apr-May-Jun St George Hanover Square London, Middlesex
Amy Beatrix Hareng 1899 Apr-May-Jun St George Hanover Square London, Middlesex


So is there a distinct Canadian branch of the Huguenot (or not Huguenot, French RC) Harenc clan?

... Not in today's phone book.

Name: Thomas Harenc
Year: 1641
Place: Quebec, Canada
Source Publication Code: 9221.17
Primary Immigrant: Harenc, Thomas

Annotation: Catalog of Immigrants. Complements volume 3 of Histoire de la Nouvelle-France (History of New France). Date and port of arrival, date and place of intention to emigrate, or date and place of first mention of residence in Quebec. Extracted from records in

Source Bibliography: TRUDEL, MARCEL. Catalogue des Immigrants, 1632-1662. Cahiers du Quebec Collection Histoire. Montreal: Editions Hurtubise HMH, 1983. 569p.
Page: 104

http://genealogiequebec.info/testphp/info.php?no=214848

List of participants in the Battle of Hastings

The list starts out:

"Harenc et Théobald de Visme"

I don't know whether that means "Harenc de Visme".

Apparently taken from the equivalent of a Peerage for Normandy (the source of many original Quebec settlers). I can't figure out what it has to do with Quebec genealogy, other than just background on Normandy families.

Hi Kathryn
You've put so much work into this, thank you.
This is the story:
My mother in law had an affair with Harry Hurene in 1945 in India. My husband is the result, we have no wish to contact any family member, this is just for ancestry purposes only. I have all the love letters sent to my mil by Harry, I also have a letter sent to him from his mother & father, this letter has his name printed on it, so I'm quite sure of the spelling, it also has his parents address in the UK. I've made enquiries about who lived at the address at the date of the letter, from the electoral register I got the names Albert & Rebecca Hurene. There is no trace of any birth, deaths or marriages for any Hurenes in England. My mil passed away several years ago, the only person with any knowledge from years ago is my cousin in law, who thinks Harry was Canadian. If he served in the RAF he must have come from one of the Commonwealth Countries. His Englist is perfect, no sign that he may be foriegn, but he did address his letters as Cheri. After the war he took a job with the Admiralty and was posted to Sri Lanka, because of the uprising in India my mil left and came to the UK, they lost touch.
I know he existed, but where did his family came from, who are they?
Thanks again for your help, especially the battle orders.
Dee x

Robert here, also in Canada, sent me that battle orders link, so we'll thank him!

Dang. It would have been quite fun to have those Harencs in your tree.

Hurene, in any form (e.g. Hurène, which I tried), just isn't French/Canadian. It's too bad the Cdn records are such a mess, making it hard to trust searches of transcriptions, but It just isn't a name I have ever heard (and I work bilingually for government, so I get exposed to a lot of names).


I would certainly pursue the info Robert found:


Peti Elizabeth Brown Hurene
Birth: About 1837 Taeiri Mouth, Dunedin, Otago, New Zealand
Death: 1907 Puketeraki, Karitane, Otago, New Zealand
Burial: 1907 Puketeraki, Karitane, Otago, New Zealand
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.


If you could contact the submitter, s/he might know something! It sounds like Peti Elizabeth was a Brown by birth and a Hurene by marriage, maybe.

No ... searching for Peti Brown:


Peti Hurene Brown
Birth: About 1855 , Otago, New Zealand
Spouse: Tame Parata
Marriage: About 1876 Puketeraki, Otago, New Zealand
Record submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church. No additional information is available. Ancestral File may list the same family and the submitter.
Source Information:
No source information is available.


It could be an indigenous name in New Zealand?

... and thus spelled who knows how many ways in English?

If you google

hurene nz

you will find it used as a given name in several instances, e.g.:

http://slidgenz.blogspot.com/

-- a girl in school in 1946. Actually, given the Peti Brown birth record, I suspect it was a given name rather than a surname in her case.

Of course, it's also a "populated place" in the Netherlands.

If there are email addresses attached -- I see at least one -- you could always inquire!

Could Albert have been an anglicized version of an indigenous name?

But look what I have found.


Name: Albert Hurine + Rebecca Turner
Year of Registration: 1918
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Spouse's Surname: Turner
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 128


There you are. I think that's them. Where the altered spelling came in, that's the next question!

There are no Hurine-Turner births, as yet transcribed by FreeBMD. But I think that if you go trawling through the GRO images, that's probably how you'll find Harry's birth registered.

Hurine seems to be a very common name in the Salford area.

And why that possibility didn't occur to me before, I dunno.

This is probably Albert:


Name: Albert Hurine
Year of Registration: 1896
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Salford
County: Greater Manchester, Lancashire
Volume: 8d
Page: 164


Could be this one in 1901:


Name: Albert Hurine
Age: 7
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Benjamin
Mother's Name: Sophie
Gender: Male
Where born: Salford, Lancashire, England

Civil Parish: Salford
Ecclesiastical parish: St Stephen
County/Island: Lancashire
Country: England

Registration district: Salford
Sub-registration district: Greengate
ED, institution, or vessel: 26
Household schedule number: 150

Albert Hurine 7
Benjamin Hurine 36
Benjamin Hurine 8
Elizabeth Hurine 14
Sophie Hurine 39
William Hurine 3

Thank you Robert & Kathryn, I'll start some fresh searching in New Zealand, my cousin lives there she may be able to help.
Thank you for your time
Dee x

Nonono, Dee -- keep reading! You posted before you saw those last bits, methinks. ;)

Kathryn, you are a star!!!!!!!!!!!
Albert & Rebecca lived in Salford!!!!!!!
what can I say?
OMG what do I do now?

Thank you, thank you, I'm sorry I've got to go and check this out!
Dee x