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Thanks Julie for your reply.
The information was very interesting - I will keep digging!!
Regards Clare

I had a look in the archives today for you and 26 Union St was a sweet shop in 1891 owned by a James Fox.
James is still there in 1899 but it just states shopkeeper. So quess your chap lived above. At Number 1 and 6 Union Street were slaughterhouses and further along a beer seller. Union Street was a densely populated area of the city , near the docks, probably the poorest area and many of the people who lived around Canal Walk and the streets off it would have worked in the docks. Is it possible Philip could have worked on ships. This end of the city suffered extensive bombing during the war and much of the area cleared for redevelopment in the 50s-60s.

The union workhouse in Southampton was in St Marys Street. I will have a look for Union St in the Kellys Directories for you, perhaps later today.

The union workhouse in Southampton was in St Marys Street. I will have a look for Union St in the Kellys Directories for you, perhaps later today.

Good night Diane - think you deserve a good nights sleep - thanks again
Clare

Clare, I'm going to leave you with plenty to think about!

I just literally put "Ulverston German band" into google!

I love Google!!!!!

What an awful font to try to read. Where on earth did you find that. This german band idea seems a real possibility.
I am glad you think he didn't die in a 'poor house'!!

Damn! I think I will have given you the wrong section of the website with that link..
this is what got me interested..

The following account, taken from the Dalton News, 7 June 1884, gives some idea of their activities
The usual Whitsuntide parade of 'Dalton Slonks2', as they delight to call themselves, took place yesterday. Every year there are a lot of thirsty individuals, lost to all sense of shame, or without one spark of manliness, who band themselves together for no other purpose than getting as much drink as they can and as cheap as they can ... these men carry their cravings for drink to the brink of idiocy, and dress themselves up with ale and porter lables, brushes and brush sticks ... Yesterday about 30 of these fellows ... assembled at the Bull Hotel, and, headed by German band1, marched on their thirsty errand, calling at each public house4 for something to drink. It is gratifying that they met with more kicks than halfpence, nevertheless some of them contrived to get intoxicated. The police1 were on the look-out for them, and came up with them near the castle. Mr. Inspector Smith and Sergent Jump kept a careful watch upon the 'slonks', and followed them into every public house. The slonks entered the Ship Inn, Cavendish, King's Arms, Red Lion, White Horse, but they got nothing, as the presence of the police terrified them from asking for anything. They proceeded to the Nelson Inn, but got no further than the lobby door, as the leader appeared to be terrified at the presence of a policeman ever at his elbow. He hastily came to the conclusion that 'discretion was the better part of valour', and, calling on his men, said, 'I order you to dismiss; all except the band, and I order them to play "God Save the Queen"'.

Clare, that would be the address he died at, but the poor house, I don't think, wouldn't have been number 26... so I don't think he died in a poor house.

Clare!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

look at this!!!

Annoyingly they've used yellow font, so you need to highlight the document to be able to read it!

http://www.dalton-in-furness.org.uk/dalton-online/history/modern-town/modern-town-leisure.html#band2

I can't make out the name of informant only the Union Street bit.
Does this mean this isn't the address where Philip died?

Philip would have been my GGG grandfather.I have little information on his daughter Catherine (Kate) so may be that is the line I should now pursue.

I find the fact that he ended up in Southampton interesting. An the idea of him travelling with a band is not one that I had thought of.

Thanks for you hard work and good ideas
Regards

clare

I can't find the address of the poor house, it was such a big building, it had its own census return and the address isn't listed.

Southampton archives/library would tell you.
What does the relation of the informant say? I would have thought that the apparent private address on the death cert was not a poor house.

Clare, as you've seen in 1891 he looks like he'd retired, I think, I was wondering if it was any bandmember who was the informant.

Depending how close a relative this is and how much you want to know, I think I would try to get the marriage cert, and the birth cert of the daughter to see if they expand on "musician" at all in the occ box.

I was trying to see if he was with a band in Hampshire in 1871, but its not obvious, I've looked at the neighbouring images and there's not a German to be seen!

I wonder if there would be any record around Ulverston, of a German band there for any reason. It is amazing what is in archives!

Reg - if you're still reading this, do you know what the diff was between a lodger and a boarder for census purposes? The bandmembers were all lodging at Ulverston, but he is a boarder in Hampshire.

I also wonder why he ended up in Southampton for his retirement, so I wonder if the band had a base there, I think I would be doing a bit of "googling" around, and then email the local history societies and the archives in the areas we've found, and see what comes up!

Good luck... much more interesting than an Ag lab!

The other route is to pursue his daughter, and see if you can learn anything from anyone else following the tree...

Is it a close relative?

Yes I do believe this is the same person although spelling quite different.

Christiana?

Deaths Sep 1859 (>99%)


DOMM Christcanah Steyning 2b 158

Thanks Nicola - this is my man!
Clare

Found these on freebmd -


Marriages Jun 1840 (>99%)

DOMM Philip Hull 22 252

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Deaths Mar 1897 (>99%)

Domm Philip 74 Southampton 2c 30a

Wonder if the 'poor house' was in Union Street then

The certificate is quite hard to read- can just make out 26 Union Street , Canal Walk, Southampton - died aged 74 - musician - informant same address- is this helpful ??