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Blimey Girls thank you for all your help I am going to have to find a way to sort all this out because now it looks as though Joseph Tregilles also had a marriage before Susan. I think maybe the best way is to print off all you have given me and go through it.
Thank you so much again
Kind regards xx

Thanks Claire

I think Lisa had already found the Tregellis/Atkins marriage

Sorry I forgot to post this

Susan Atkins 1858 Jul-Aug-Sep Pancras (1837-1901) London, Middlesex

Josiah Houle 1858 Jul-Aug-Sep Pancras (1837-1901) London, Middlesex

Emily Moss 1858 Jul-Aug-Sep Pancras (1837-1901) London, Middlesex

Joseph Tregilles 1858 Jul-Aug-Sep Pancras (1837-1901) London, Middlesex

I think i've missed something..how do we know that Susan's husband was Joseph

No probs, I only found the 51 'cause you'd found the 61

Claire

I deleted cos of your 1851 post

Ann Tregellis death?


Ann Treg[I_][L_][L_]_[S_] 1857 Apr-May-Jun Holborn London, Middlesex

Kate has been transcribed as Wm!

1851 England Census
about Joseph Tregellas
Name: Joseph Tregellas
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1821
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Devon, England

Civil Parish: Westminster St James
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: St James Westminster
Sub-registration district: Berwick Street
ED, institution, or vessel: 3
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 213
Household Members: Name Age
Leach Tigeller 2
Wm Tigeller 4
Ann Tregellas 30
Geo Tregellas 9
Joseph Tregellas 30

Kate must have been Sophia's step sister. This looks like her-

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CATHERINE JANE TREGILLES Pedigree
Female


Event(s):
Birth: 11 FEB 1846

Christening: 11 JUL 1849 Saint Luke, Westminster, London, England

Death:
Burial:

Parents:
Father: JOSEPH TREGILLES Family
Mother: ANN

Messages:
Extracted birth or christening record for the locality listed in the record. The source records are usually arranged chronologically by the birth or christening date.


Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:

C062191 1846 - 1875 0918610 Film 6903890 Film

Looks like Sophia's maiden name could have been Watts

William Atkins 1839 Apr-May-Jun Plymouth Devon

James Donchue 1839 Apr-May-Jun Plymouth Devon

Charles Horn 1839 Apr-May-Jun Plymouth Devon

Sophia Kilby 1839 Apr-May-Jun St Saviour Southwark London, Surrey

Elizabeth Lamb 1839 Apr-May-Jun Plymouth Devon

Susan Martin 1839 Apr-May-Jun Plymouth Devon

Fanny Moore 1839 Apr-May-Jun Plymouth Devon

Sophia Watts 1839 Apr-May-Jun Plymouth Devon

Charles Wodnoth 1839 Apr-May-Jun Plymouth Devon

Wow Claire and Julie thank you so much.
It looks as though Susan's marriage to Joseph Tregillis was her second marriage doesnt it and that is why there is such an age gap with Sarah Ellen
Kind regards Lisa

I think this is Susan & Sophia

1851 England Census
about Sophia Atkins
Name: Sophia Atkins
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1841
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Susan
Gender: Female
Where born: Devonport, Devon, England

Civil Parish: St Pancras
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Pancras
Sub-registration district: Tottenham Court
ED, institution, or vessel: 15
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 332
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Atkins 8
Sophia Atkins 10
Susan Atkins 31
William Atkins 34
William Atkins 4

Sarah Ellens birth

Births Dec 1860 (>99%)


TREGILLES Sarah Ellen St Giles 1b 406

Look what i found on the 1861

Kate Tregilles
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Sister
Gender: Female
Where born: St Giles, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: St Giles
Ecclesiastical parish: London
County/Island: Middlesex
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View Image

Registration district: St Giles
Sub-registration district: St Giles North
ED, institution, or vessel: 2a
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 954
Household Members: Name Age
Sophia Conner 20
Kate Tregilles 15


Sophia is Married, Head and born 1841 Devonport, Devon, England



I have a gut feeling that Sarah Ellen is Sophias

Im really wondering if Susan is Sarah's Mum..as theres is a big gap between Sophia and Sarah

aslo Sophia was born Devon & Sarah Middlesex

Hi Claire
Brilliant. Thank you so much for that. I know that Susan Tregilles mother in law on 1881 census is living with her daughter Sarah Ellen Warner in 1891
Thank you again
Kind regards Lisa

Hi Julie
I know and thank you again for you help. I am now trying to find out when they married do you just have census or do you have bmd also? I am trying to find Sophia's maiden name I know she has her widowed Mum living with her 1891 so Sophia's maiden name should be Tregilles but I cant find any proof. I wasnt able to find the Tregilles family on the 1861 census either? I dont suppose you would be able to look them up for me please if you have a spare mo?
Joseph Treggiles b1821 Durham
Susan Tregilles b1820 St Giles? Devon?
Sarah Ellen Tregilles b1861 Exeter
I found a marriage between john Conner and Mary Sophia Atkins in 1860 stangley enough Susan the mother's maiden name was Atkins?
What do you think?
Many thanks for any help given
Kind regrds Lisa

1891 England Census
about John O'Connor
Name: John O'Connor
Age: 51
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1840
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Sophia
Gender: Male
Where born: Tottenham; CT Road

Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Rotherhithe
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Lambeth
Sub-registration district: Waterloo Road First
ED, institution, or vessel: 4
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
John O'Connor 51
Sophia O'Connor 50

Susan

They were found on the 1871 by Myself & Jean...it's the 1891 where they can't be found

it's a shame that the whole thread wasn't read