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born dec 1882 and married dec 1909

All the info you can eat at

http://www.freebmd.org.uk

I'll race you to find her birth and marriage ... but you have to be the one to post them here.

Have now found that Ellen Straker was born Eellen Elizabeth Cousins, so any info on this would be great. She was born in West Ham in 1882

Meanwhile, you can certainly go to FreeBMD and search for marriages:

surname: simmons
given name: john
spouse's given name: ellen
dates: 1910 to 1930 (just for good measure)

and have a look at the results. Most of them aren't very likely, since they're well outside the London area.

Then take a look at the Ellens who married Simmons, and see what you can find in the birth records and 1901 census.

Just to entertain yourself while you wait for the George Straker + Ellen marriage certificate!

Yup, you need to buy the marriage certificate to find her real name. I mean, we could keep on searching here and there with all these bits of info, but it seems kind of pointless when it is all there on a marriage certificate, eh?

been to the cematry today and the libarary and found Ellen Straker was married to George Straker in 1948. Befor that she was married to John Simmons which explains why she could be found on birth records, do i need to buy Marriage cert to find her Real name? as i just know she was born in 1882

If the 1893 Nellie Straker's mother in 1901 really was a widow, this would have to be her marriage:


Marriages Sep 1892
FROST James Camberwell 1d 1336
Goodyear Emily Georgina Camberwell 1d 1336
>> Gorham Lucy Mary J Camberwell 1d 1336
>> Straker Edward William Camberwell 1d 1336

Sorry, I forgot that one. But there's no birth record to go with the 1901 census!

Well I added that Nellie Straker born 1893 as Nellie is the nickname for Ellen -

Carol are you talking about the Ellen born in 1915 in my posting? Well that is her death ref so its down to the person giving the information about the birth whether the birth date is correct or not. The other thread on this mentioned Ellen died in that registration district and it seemed (yet another!) coincidence.

Im getting confused here - are there two people asking for the same information on the same day?

There simply is no such birth.

There are two Eleanor Strakers born in 1892 and 1893 in South Shields and Tynemouth. That's the closest.

The birth dates are so wildly off -- 1893, not 1880 -- that my Eliza Ellen C Donaldson kind of goes out the window.

have tried to view this birth but cannot find it, have found the death no problem but have tried oct, nov, dec of births and jan of 1916 as to when registered and cannot find it?

yes - but Carol's new info:

"Ellen E Straker was born 1893 and died march 1951, she married John t Simmons and adopted my Grand mother at 6 months old, my Grand mother was born Beatrice Rose Freeman though her real mother was Rose Hawkesworth."

mirrors the info in that thread. Did you just get that info from the same source, Carol??

For Straker-Simmons marriages so far transcribed, there is only:

Marriages Jun 1909
SIMMONS William Frederick Wandsworth 1d 1283
STRAKER Edith Goodall Wandsworth 1d 1283


Of course, since Ellen here died as Straker, it seems very probable that she didn't marry Mr. Simmons.

Is it different board names - didnt notice that one! Bit of a coincidence isnt it - LOL

not aware that she was. she married andadopted my gran when she was about 20 years old

Yer kidding Heather ... another thread ... why, what a surprise.

But oh! It may actually be a surprise.

http://www.genesreunited.co.uk/boards.asp?wci=thread&tk=994424

Different people asking the question!

Are you related to Susan, Carol? Have you seen the other thread?

Erm, what happened to the other thread on this one?? Did we decide I hadnt found the right one?

Just to recap on the info I gave earliers:
Sorry, no Ellen Straker biths right place/area. Could she have been married before? What actual documents, solid info do you have on her?

This is the nearest match for 1901 - mum Lucy is a widow and a char woman.

1901

Nellie Straker
Age: 8
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Relation: Daughter
Mother's Name: Lucy
Gender: Female
Where born: Hackney, London, England

Civil Parish: Hackney
Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity Dalston
County/Island: London
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Hackney
Sub-registration district: South-West Hackney
ED, institution, or vessel: 24
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 229
Household Members: Name Age
Florrie Straker 2
Lucy Straker 28
Nellie Straker 8

Do you have any children's details for this couple so that we could work backwards?

Or may be she never married? Is westham West Ham, London?
is this a relative?

Name: Ellen Straker
Birth Date: 1 Oct 1915
Death Registration Month/Year: Feb 1989
Age at death (estimated): 73
Registration district: Thurrock
Inferred County: Essex
Volume: 9
Page: 3449

ok heres for a challenge.... Ellen E Straker was born 1893 and died march 1951, she married John t Simmons and adopted my Grand mother at 6 months old, my Grand mother was born Beatrice Rose Freeman though her real mother was Rose Hawkesworth. Still trying to find out who the father is, any help greatfully. may seem a lose end but i really have not more info at this moment

will post you more info when i get it, will be going to the cemetry tomorrow, ty for all the help

The child Edward died in infancy:

Name: Edward H Donaldson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1912
Year of Registration: 1913
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
Age at Death: 1
District: West Ham
County: Essex, Greater London
Volume: 4a
Page: 305

So Carol!

What you need to do, to figure out whether this is your woman, is:

1. Order the birth cert of Eliza Ellen C Donaldson
2. Order the marriage certificate of Ellen Donaldson and George Straker
3. (possibly) Order the birth certificate of Edward Donaldson


First -- does the George Straker name mean anything to you??