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Susan

Without your findings, I probably wouldn't have found what I did. Levi & Amos were two unusual names to find together.

I have enjoyed unravelling this!

Angela

Have a good day - I'm off to bed shortly!

Angela

*chuckles* A simple process of illumination.

Well done everyone - backslaps all round.

Isnt this what puts the fun in genealogy?

Have been following this thread with interest as I recently researched a tree for an old friend - and his mother's line are Balchins from Surrey too, it's not a very common name.

Have to wonder why both Amos and Levi chose to use their mother's name, huh?

Thanks Angela,

I have to go to work now, but you've done a brilliant job!

Thanks so much for knocking down this wall.




Deb:)

Hi Deb

Some of them don't make it easy for us, do they?

:-))

Angela

PS Here's the family in 1851 - I can't find a marriage for Jane & John, maybe they didn't bother!

Jane Etherton
Age: 31
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1820
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: John
Gender: Female
Where born: Tenterden, Kent, England

Civil Parish: Reigate
Ecclesiastical parish: Winchester
Town: Reigate
County/Island: Kent
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Reigate
Sub-registration district: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: 6c
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 107
Household Members: Name Age
Daniel Charlwood 69
Hele Etherton 3 Mo
Jane Etherton 31
John Etherton 30
Robert Etherton 3

Daniel Charlwood is a lodger.

OK. I think I've sorted it out.

Amos was born an Etherington and his mmn was Balchin, which he switched to sometime before 1901.

Frances Emily Simmonds first married John Castle in 1892, after the births of Violet and John Thomas (illegitimate). She then meets Amos and they have a son Amos in 1901(illegitimate) but don't actually get married until 1909.

I wonder if Emily was waiting for her first husband John Castle to die? Divorce would have been too expensive back then for her.


Deb:)

Good Lord, no wonder I couldn't put this together easily.




Deb:)

Oh, wow. Thank you. This is fantastic!!!

So, Amos was a Castle/Etherington? And his mother Jane was a Balchin.

I need to go back through all your findings to work out what's what. I'm really excited about this though. It's a real breakthrough.




Deb:)

1861 census

Levi Hetherington
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1856
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Reigate, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Reigate Foreign
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England


Registration district: Reigate
Sub-registration district: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 127
Household Members: Name Age
Amos Hetherington 5 Mo
Eli Hetherington 9
Jane Hetherington 34
John Hetherington 40
Levi Hetherington 5
Robert Hetherington 13
Sarah Hetherington 7

How about this from the IGI?

AMOS ETHERINGTON Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 06 JAN 1861 Saint John, Redhill, Surrey, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHN ETHERINGTON Family
Mother: JANE BALCHIN



The 1871 census:

Amos Etherington
Age: 10
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Relation: Son
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Jane
Gender: Male
Where born: Reigate, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Reigate Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: St John
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England


Registration district: Reigate
Sub-registration district: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: 9
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 207
Household Members: Name Age
Amos Etherington 10
Eli Etherington 20
Jane Etherington 54
John Etherington 50
Levi Etherington 15



Brother Levi, (aka Balchin)

LEVI ETHERINGTON Pedigree
Male


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Event(s):
Birth:
Christening: 17 FEB 1856 Saint John, Redhill, Surrey, England

Death:
Burial:


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Parents:
Father: JOHN ETHERINGTON Family
Mother: JANE

hi to all
has any-one thought about death details for our amos then we may be-able get his age sorted.i just had a look but could not find any-thing may-be im,e missing somthing.did they leave the country ?
just a thought.

gwen x

well im,e quite convinced that amos may have lied abt his age or may-be the censuses got it wrong its possible that its the one i found earlier,

possibility ?

gwen xx

Oooh, Susan, no I didn't (well-spotted), off to have a look!

Did you notice the Balchin Family on the same page in the 1881 Census? Levi Balchin - wonder if he was a brother to Amos?

John T Castle's birth reg?

Births Mar 1891 (>99%)
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Castle John Thomas Reigate 2a 170



And Violet's?

Births Jun 1888 (>99%)
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CASTLE Violet Evelyn Tunbridge 2a 671

That 'next-door' Simmonds family in 1881 - with Emma/Emily/Frances (whatever her name was!)

Emma Simmonds
Age: 13
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Banstead, Surrey, England

Civil Parish: Reigate Foreign
County/Island: Surrey
Country: England

Street address: Roundabout
Education:

Registration district: Reigate
Sub-registration district: Reigate
ED, institution, or vessel: 16
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Alfred Simmonds 1
Elizabeth Simmonds 37
Emma Simmonds 13
George Simmonds 18
John Simmonds 8
Thomas Simmonds 48
Thomas Simmonds 10


(Banstead, Reigate & Kingswood are all very close to each other)

Following on from Susan’s find, what do you think of this?

Marriages Dec 1892 (>99%)
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Berryman Edith Annie Reigate 2a 351
>>>>Castle John Reigate 2a 351
Morris William Reigate 2a 351
Peters Katherine Reigate 2a 351
>>>>SIMMONDS Francess Emily Reigate 2a 351




Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%) (NOTE EXTRA FEMALE – LOOKING AT THE IMAGE, FRANCES’ PAGE NO COULD WELL BE 449)
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BUDGEN Francis Reigate 2a 448
>>>>CASTLE Frances Emma Reigate 2a 448
TUCK Elizabeth Violet Reigate 2a 448
WETHERALL Minnie Louisa L Reigate 2a 448
WORSSELL John Reigate 2a 448


Marriages Sep 1909 (>99%) (NOTE ‘WRONGLY-TRANSCRIBED AS CROYDON’ FEMALE, LEAVING A VACANCY)
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>>>>BALCHIN Amos Reigate 2a 449
LAWS Emily Augusta Reigate 2a 449
SPINKS Agnes Beatrice M Croydon 2a 449
WILLCOX Ernest Charles Reigate 2a 449




Angela

here is the 1861 census details.....RG9/440 F:50. P/16.

gwen x

hi deb,
there is this one on familysearch.
VIOLET BALCHIN ABT 1893,DEPFORD,ENGLAND,
PARENTS:FATHER/HENRY BALCHIN.
MOTHER:ELIZA EVERETT.

gwen x

also this one: AMOS BALCHIN,
CHRISTENING:10 JUNE 1855,WESTCOTT,SURREY,ENGLAND.



father:FREDERICK BALCHIN.
mother:SELINA.

Probably just coincidence?

There is a Violet Castle in the 1891 Census for Reigate. She was born abt 1889 in Paddock Wood. Parents are John and Emma. There is also a son of 4 months - John T Castle, born Reigate. Could the T be Thomas?

What is interesting is they are living next door to Thomas Simmons and family

Hi all,

Yes Gary, that's the other Amos from dorking that I mentioned earlier and because he appears on the1901 census also, we know he's a different person.

The info from the ancestry tree looks all muddled up to me. Didn't the Amos from Dorking marry Mary Bullen? He was still with her in 1901 and our Amos was with Emily Simmonds in 1901.

Argh...........................I'm just about tearing my hair out here!!!!!

I think I'll go to bed because I can't keep my eyes open any longer, but I'll check back in the morning. Maybe by some miracle, someone will have found something to unravel this mystery......................................lol



Deb:)