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Trying to trace my grandfather William but no information about his birth or familly! He married Emma Mowthorpe in Hull in 1894 and they travelled Yorkshire with the fairgrounds. They had eight surviving children.

They finally settled in Clowne, Derbyshire somewhere around 1901.My father was born in 1910 and in later years helped William with his coal carting business.

William died in 1934 and Emma 1935 and they are both buried in the local churchyard.

Any information at all would be great as I would dearly love to find out about William. I have already traced Emma's family.

Do you have a marriage certificate for them

If yes..what was his dads name and occupation.

marriage indexName: William Waterhouse
Year of Registration: 1894
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Sculcoates
County: Yorkshire - East Riding
Volume: 9d
Page: 321

Emma Mowthorpe


1891 census

Name: Emma Mowthorpe
Age: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Servant
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Southcoates
Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrews
Town: Kingston Upon Hull
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

Household Members: Name Age
Hannah M Braithwaite 45
Rousa Braithwaite 24
Emma Mowthorpe 16


1881
Name: Emma Mowthorpe
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1875
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Hessle in Sculcoates
County/Island: Yorkshire
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte E. Mowthorpe 1
Emma Mowthorpe 6
Jack Mowthorpe 3
Joe Mowthorpe 8
Mary Mowthorpe 31
Nellie Mowthorpe 10
Thomas Mowthorpe 34

possible 1901 censusName: Emma Waterhouse
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1874
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Shipley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Shipley
Ecclesiastical parish: Windhill Christchurch
County/Island: Yorkshire


Name: William Waterhouse
Age: 30
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Shipley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Shipley
Ecclesiastical parish: Windhill Christchurch
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England

William is a canal boatman

The above William in 1891 census
Name: William Waterhouse
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1871
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Benjamin
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Shipley, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Idle
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch
Town: Windhill
County/Island: Yorkshire
Name: Benjamin Waterhouse ---Boatman
Age: 49
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Skipton, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Idle
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch


Name: Emma Waterhouse
Age: 47
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Benjamin
Gender: Female
Where born: Idle, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Idle
Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch


Household Members: Name Age
Benjamin Waterhouse 49
Benjamin Waterhouse 11
Charles Waterhouse 17
Emma Waterhouse 47
Harry Waterhouse 13
John Waterhouse 22
William Waterhouse 20

Thanks to all of you for replying.

Yes I do have a marriage certificate for them for 1894. Williams father was also called William and they both worked as labourers on the docks in Hull.

I have seen the entries you other guys have posted for the census etc, but the father's names are wrong and they areas in some cases look wrong.

The entries for Emma are all correct though.

Neither William or Emma are in the 1901 census and by that time they would have had 3 possibly 4 children. None of the children are listed in the 1901 either - possibly they were living with another relative? If only they were I could have got his place of birth from that !

FRUSTRATING!!!

FRUSTRATING

yes you are right it is, especially when the question i asked was 3 minutes after you posted...all the wrong replies would of be right if you could of hung around for a bit after you posted this request yesterday

do you have any names of children by 1901?what address is on the marriage cert?

OOPS ! Sorry Julie for not hanging about but I have limited time to do this.

In answer to Janices' question - the names of the children: Charlotte Mary(1894), Ruby (1896), Nellie (1898) Ethel (1900).

The address on the marriage certificate was - 9 Craven Street, Hull.

I had hoped that someone might realise the Mowthorpe connection and have some information to link to Waterhouse.

Thanks again guys.

Don't know why but looks like this could be the family.Given surname Ball !!
Name: Emma Ball
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1876
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Crowle
Ecclesiastical parish: Crowle St Oswald
Town: Crowle
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England

Name: William Ball
Age: 33
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Emma
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Crowle
Ecclesiastical parish: Crowle St Oswald
Town: Crowle
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Country: England


Name: Ruby Ball
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1896
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Crowle, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Crowle
Ecclesiastical parish: Crowle St Oswald
Town: Crowle
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Name: Nellie Ball
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1898
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Crowle, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Crowle
Ecclesiastical parish: Crowle St Oswald
Town: Crowle

Name: Ethel Ball
Age: 11 months
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1900
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: Crowle, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Crowle
Ecclesiastical parish: Crowle St Oswald
Town: Crowle
County/Island: Lincolnshire


the place does tie in perhaps with birth index

Name: Ethel Waterhouse
Year of Registration: 1900
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Thorne
County: Lincolnshire, Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9c
Page: 894
Do you have the certificate giving the address as it is the nearest one to the census they could still be at the same address.
I have a surname Martin in 1891 and they are called Kite by 1901 so i know it does happen. Hopefully i will find them back as Martin in 1911 census!

OH MY GOODNESS !!!
Where did you find this information ?!

I don't know if it is correct - will do a bit of digging this end at the weekend, but the name BALL has been mentioned in the family but no-one seems to know who or where it fits in. This could explain a lot.

Thank you SOOO much, could be the break I've been looking for.

Now I'm really excited about this!

I see that the other children have the same birth district .I wonder what has happened to Charlotte ?Please let me know what you find out about them

Hey Janice
I have sent for the youngest childs birth certificate to establish where the family was living. Its possible that Charlotte was with relatives at the time of the census.

But I have to ask you how did you find the information about the Ball family? I would never have considered looking for anything other than Waterhouse so why/how ..........?

I searched 1901 census by just putting youngest childs name ,year of birth+/- a year.parents first name no surrname ! and looked for the area they might be living in.
Please post details of birth cert. I would like to know what you find out
Janice

Gosh you are clever !

Just got the birth certificate this morning and not much help I'm afraid.

On some of the others I've had an actual address but on this one it just says Crowle, so ....?

IF!!! William Ball 1901 is the right family then this could be him in 1871Name: William Ball
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Peterborough St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Marys
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire


Name: Mary Baull
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Peterborough St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Marys
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire

Name: Elizabeth Ball
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Peterborough St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Marys
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Name: James Ball
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Durrington, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil Parish: Peterborough St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Marys
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England


and in 1901 they have Charlotte as their daughter
Name: Charlotte Ball
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Eastoft, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Fenton
Ecclesiastical parish: Kettlethorpe St Peters and Paul with Laughterton and Fenton
Town: Fenton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Ball 6
Elizabeth Ball 57
James Ball 57
James Ball 18
Nellie Ball 16
Sophy Ball 21
Betsey Beadley 24 ---daughter
Evalena Beadly 3
Daisy Kemp 18 Relation: Niece -


So is this the marriage of Elizabeth Waterhouse to James Ball
Name: Elizabeth Waterhouse
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 443
others on index pageRecord

Joseph Atkinson
James Ball
Sarah Hannah Ely


So perhaps Elizabeth and Williams father were married between census years 1861-1871 and then he has died and she has married again,if you think this could be right then we are looking for a marriage and death of William between census years?

Looked for possible birth's for sister Mary
Name: Mary Elizabeth Waterhouse ---found a Mary E with parents in 1871 census so not this one
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 476


Name: Mary Ann Waterhouse
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 480



A couple of Mary Ball's

Name: Mary Ellen W Ball
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 448

Name: Mary Hannah Ball -found a Mary H with parents in 1871 census
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 421

possible marriage this Elizabeth Andrew to William is the only one i can see if they got married in Hull.

ANDREW Elizabeth Cowin
Medley William Whittaker
SELLERS Mary Ann
Waterhouse William

Hull 9d 379 Dec. 1867

?death index
Waterhouse William 59
Leeds 9b 362
Dec.1869

HEY Slooow down ! This is making my head spin! Thank you for all this work you've put in on this for me.
Ok see where you're going with this and I was sort of convinced until I remembered on William and Emma's marriage certificate(1894) it gives William's father - also William Waterhouse, dock labourer - as still living. Emma's father of course is deceased. So the Elizabeth you have found couldn't have been William seniors widow remarried to James Ball.

This gets more and more curious and frustrating. ARRGH !