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What a result ,so pleased for you.If you need any more help just sent a personal message or post on here i can leve this thread in my bookmark. Good luck in your search

JANICE ! I HAVE FOUND WILLIAM ! ! !

I can't believe it I'm so excited I nearly kissed the postman !
I sent for the marriage certificate of Elizabeth and James Ball - turns out you were right, Elizabeth was a widow. Her father's name was Wallis Webster.

Now I know that means nothing to you BUT my uncles name was William Wallace Webster Waterhouse ! (Poor chap, we called him Sonny!)

The birth certificate I sent for has William Waterhouse as the father and Elizabeth formerly WEBSTER as the mother! After 2 years of searching I HAVE HIM ! Now I can start looking for the rest of his family.

Thanks for all your help, you pointed me in the right direction, I am really grateful. YIPEEE !

I suppose its a possiblity, I have found and ordered the marriage certificate for Waterhouse/Ball so we'll see what that turns up.

I think I may have found a birth cert for William too. 1866, 3rd quarter, Sculcoates - not sure but sounds like it might be. I'll keep looking!

Well would he have had to show a birth cert when he got married? I like you am still drawn to the "Ball" family.Perhaps the Waterhouse/ James Ball marriage cert might give an answer if you thik it is the one

Oh its more and more frustrating doesn't it?!

I did find that myself and like you couldn't find William in the other census years.

I'm still drawn to the Ball connection I have to admit, I wonder if Elizabeth Waterhouse rather than a widow just wasn't married when she had William junior, this would explain her marriage to James Ball and William using the Ball name but going back to his original birth surname on his marriage? Maybe, perhaps. . . . ?

OK so why didn't i see this in 1901
Name: William Waterhouse -image says labourer docks!
Age: 59
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1842
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull

Civil Parish: Holy Trinity and St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Name: Mary Ann Waterhouse
Age: 62
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: William
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull

Civil Parish: Holy Trinity and St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Name: Wm Hy Waterhouse
Age: 18
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1883
Relation: Son
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull

Civil Parish: Holy Trinity and St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
County/Island: Yorkshire
Country: England
Have not been able to find a connection with a son Wiilliam in other census years though.

Thanks it would be good to hear if you get any answers .I will leave this thread bookmarked

Yes I guess you're right - certificates are probably the next stage.

The 1911 is the one that will give me my answers I think as the family were settled by then and Waterhouse was the name - but I'm no good at waiting !!! (ha, ha)

Thanks for all your help and good luck with your search. If I get a break through I'll let you know.

Hi, well Waterhouse would have been his fathers offical name wouldn't it,and census was just what they told the enumarator to write down! I think people will be looking for a lot of answers from the 1911 census! I for one am waiting to see who my husbands greatgrandmother is with, as all children (even in 1904)were surname Martin but she is Kite in 1901.
I think in your family if you think i may have the right ones then it could mean buying certs to see . I suppose if Elizabeth was a widow it should say that on the marriage cert.

OK ! I'm more confused than ever now !!!

Just tried following William BALL through the census and they did live in tents/caravans all the way through - this ties in with what an elderly relative can remember being told. That William never lived in a house, always a caravan.

Looking at the 1881 census there is a Sophie listed. I can just remember being told about an aunt Sophie, unfortunately the few people left can't remember her.

OH MY - do we have the right family after all, and if so WHY the name change, 'cos my Dad was definitely Waterhouse ? !

HEY Slooow down ! This is making my head spin! Thank you for all this work you've put in on this for me.
Ok see where you're going with this and I was sort of convinced until I remembered on William and Emma's marriage certificate(1894) it gives William's father - also William Waterhouse, dock labourer - as still living. Emma's father of course is deceased. So the Elizabeth you have found couldn't have been William seniors widow remarried to James Ball.

This gets more and more curious and frustrating. ARRGH !

?death index
Waterhouse William 59
Leeds 9b 362
Dec.1869

possible marriage this Elizabeth Andrew to William is the only one i can see if they got married in Hull.

ANDREW Elizabeth Cowin
Medley William Whittaker
SELLERS Mary Ann
Waterhouse William

Hull 9d 379 Dec. 1867

Looked for possible birth's for sister Mary
Name: Mary Elizabeth Waterhouse ---found a Mary E with parents in 1871 census so not this one
Year of Registration: 1869
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 476


Name: Mary Ann Waterhouse
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 480



A couple of Mary Ball's

Name: Mary Ellen W Ball
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 448

Name: Mary Hannah Ball -found a Mary H with parents in 1871 census
Year of Registration: 1868
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 421

IF!!! William Ball 1901 is the right family then this could be him in 1871Name: William Ball
Age: 5
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1866
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Peterborough St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Marys
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire


Name: Mary Baull
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1868
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Leeds, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Peterborough St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Marys
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire

Name: Elizabeth Ball
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1844
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Hull, Yorkshire, England

Civil Parish: Peterborough St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Marys
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England

Name: James Ball
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1843
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Male
Where born: Durrington, Cambridgeshire, England

Civil Parish: Peterborough St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: Peterborough St Marys
Town: Peterborough
County/Island: Northamptonshire
Country: England


and in 1901 they have Charlotte as their daughter
Name: Charlotte Ball
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1895
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Eastoft, Lincolnshire, England

Civil Parish: Fenton
Ecclesiastical parish: Kettlethorpe St Peters and Paul with Laughterton and Fenton
Town: Fenton
County/Island: Lincolnshire
Household Members: Name Age
Charlotte Ball 6
Elizabeth Ball 57
James Ball 57
James Ball 18
Nellie Ball 16
Sophy Ball 21
Betsey Beadley 24 ---daughter
Evalena Beadly 3
Daisy Kemp 18 Relation: Niece -


So is this the marriage of Elizabeth Waterhouse to James Ball
Name: Elizabeth Waterhouse
Year of Registration: 1871
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
District: Leeds (1837-1929)
County: Yorkshire - West Riding
Volume: 9b
Page: 443
others on index pageRecord

Joseph Atkinson
James Ball
Sarah Hannah Ely


So perhaps Elizabeth and Williams father were married between census years 1861-1871 and then he has died and she has married again,if you think this could be right then we are looking for a marriage and death of William between census years?

Gosh you are clever !

Just got the birth certificate this morning and not much help I'm afraid.

On some of the others I've had an actual address but on this one it just says Crowle, so ....?

I searched 1901 census by just putting youngest childs name ,year of birth+/- a year.parents first name no surrname ! and looked for the area they might be living in.
Please post details of birth cert. I would like to know what you find out
Janice

Hey Janice
I have sent for the youngest childs birth certificate to establish where the family was living. Its possible that Charlotte was with relatives at the time of the census.

But I have to ask you how did you find the information about the Ball family? I would never have considered looking for anything other than Waterhouse so why/how ..........?

I see that the other children have the same birth district .I wonder what has happened to Charlotte ?Please let me know what you find out about them

OH MY GOODNESS !!!
Where did you find this information ?!

I don't know if it is correct - will do a bit of digging this end at the weekend, but the name BALL has been mentioned in the family but no-one seems to know who or where it fits in. This could explain a lot.

Thank you SOOO much, could be the break I've been looking for.

Now I'm really excited about this!