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Hi
Can anyone help me please :
Im looking for information on Moat Farm, Mill Green, Edwardstone, Suffolk.
On the 1901 census the Smith family were living there. Im interested to know anything anyone can tell me about the Smiths/Salmons/Chinerys/Darbys and the Death Family - Especially Drucilla Death ....

Joanne.x

Hi Joanne,

Is this the same Moat Farm from 1891 census? I noticed that there was a Smith living there.


67 DYER, Charles Head Married M 34 Farmer
Polstead
Suffolk
67 DYER, Alice Wife Married F 34
Semer
Suffolk
67 DYER, Mable Daughter F 10 Scholar
Semer
Suffolk
67 DYER, Gertrude Daughter F 9 Scholar
Polstead
Suffolk
67 SMITH, Sarah Help Single F 45
Boxford
67 DYER, William Visitor Single M 41 Farmer
Polstead
Suffolk

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RG number:
RG12 Piece:
1446 Folio:
35 Page:
11

Registration District:
Cosford Sub District:
Hadleigh Enumeration District:
4 Ecclesiastical Parish:
Edwardstone

Civil Parish:
Edwardstone Municipal Borough:
Address:
Moat Farm, Priory Green, Edwardstone






Deb:)

This is what comes up for Druscilla Death:


Name: Druscilla Death
Year of Registration: 1844
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Bury St Edmunds
County: Suffolk
Volume: 13
Page: 420




1851 England Census
about Drusilla Death
Name: Drusilla Death
Age: 6
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1845
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Bury, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: Bury St Edmunds St James
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Sub-registration district: Bury
ED, institution, or vessel: 2h
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 19
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Death 11
Drusilla Death 6
Edward Death 42
Edward Death 12
Mary Ann Death 41
Mary Ann Death 16






1871 England Census
about Druscilla Death
Name: Druscilla Death
Age: 25
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1846
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Edward
Mother's Name: Mary Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, England

Civil Parish: St Mary
Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary
Town: Bury St Edmunds
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Disability: View Image

Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Sub-registration district: Bury St Edmunds
ED, institution, or vessel: 2
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 201
Household Members: Name Age
Druscilla Death 25
Edward Death 63
Mary Ann Death 61





And a marriage:




Name: Drusilla Death
Year of Registration: 1874
Quarter of Registration: Apr-May-Jun
District: Bury St Edmunds
County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 729

Arthur John Savage 1874 Apr-May-Jun Bury St Edmunds Suffolk







And a different Drucsilla:





1881 England Census
about Druscilla Death
Name: Druscilla Death
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1877
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Charles
Mother's Name: Emma
Gender: Female
Where born: London, London, Middlesex, England

Civil Parish: Bury St Edmunds St Mary
County/Island: Suffolk
Country: England

Street address: 12 Honey Hill
Education:

Employment status: View Image

Registration district: Bury St Edmunds
Sub-registration district: Bury St Edmunds
ED, institution, or vessel: 8
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Charles Death 34
Charles Death 1
Druscilla Death 4
Edward Death 7
Emma Death 34
John Death 9









Deb:)

Hi Deb
Many thanks for the info
I'll check it out tonight and come back to you if thats OK ?

Joanne.x

OK. I'll keep an eye on this thread and if you need more help, I'll be more than happy to assist.



Deb:)

Hi Deb
Im still looking into Druscilla Death but wondered if you could link the Smiths at Moat farm, Mill Green, Edwardstone 1901 census to all or any of the above ?
Father Daniel Smith Mother Sarah Smith nee Salmon had many children & my direct line is from one of their children Frances Smith who was the mother of my grandmother "Joyce Marsden nee Darby" & her brothers Gordon & John Darby.

Im told that Frances married a Darby and that he was a baker/breadmaker & was killed on way to work in London during the blitz 1941.

Many thanks
Joanne.x

Hi Joanne,

I'm going to post this then try and work backwards. I'll see if I can find his marriage to Frances. I've noticed that his wife is Mrs F Darby.




Name: DARBY, WILLIAM GEORGE
Initials: W G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Civilian
Regiment/Service: Civilian War Dead
Age: 64
Date of Death: 21/10/1940
Awards: D C M
Additional information: of 167 Langham Road. Husband of F. Darby. Injured 20 October 1940, at Turnpike Bus Station; died at North-Eastern Hospital.
Casualty Type: Civilian War Dead
Reporting Authority: TOTTENHAM, MUNICIPAL BOROUGH




I'm wondering if he was catching a bus to work.




Deb:)

Hi Deb
Thats amazing you got that info so fast !!!!
Im sure my grandmother said he walked to work but i cant be 100% ?

Joanne.x

That looks good Sophie.

Now for the births of the children. I'm off to look.



Deb:)

Hi Soph
William George Darby 100% married Frances Smith
He died 20 Oct 1940 at Turnpike Bus Station in the Civilian War.

Thanks for looking

Joanne.x

I don't think it's the right couple. Their first son was Stephen C born Sept 1921.

Joanne, do you have your grandmother's birth date?



Deb:)

Hi Deb
Frances mary Ann Smith was born in 1896 Edwardstone Suffolk & appears on 1901 census at Moat Farm Mill Green Edwardstone - She died in 1973.
Her daughter (My Grandmother) Joyce Darby was born 1921 - vol 3a page 837

Thanks for helping..

Joanne.x

It's probably best to order her birth cert then you'll know for sure who Frances married. William george certainly looks right and he was the only civilian death that fit, but we can't be sure.


Was Joyce the eldest?



Deb:)

Yes Sophie. That's the one I spotted.

The problem is that Frances was a Smith. I can't find a marriage for a Frances Smith to a Darby.


Deb:)

Hi Deb
Joyce was the youngest, Her older brothers were

Gordon Darby - Born 1919, Married Rosemary & Died around 2000, His eldest child is Ann who lives/lived in Wigan, Lancs.
Two youngest were Cathy & Marion Darby.

John Darby - Had son Peter who emigrated to South Africa & daughter Jacqueline Darby (Who married Henrick) & Sylvia Darby

I know one of them married Marion ?

Joanne.x

Oh, Sophie, that's brilliant!

So, Frances was married before to Jack Anderson then married William Darby.


Deb:)

Sophie, Deb
Can you help again please - Just spoke with my mum who says that Jack Anderson died tradgicly and says that no one would ever speak of it !!


Can we dig deeper please ?

Thanks for helping me get this far ladies..

Joanne.x

Ladies - Do we know if Frances & Jack had any children in their 2 years of marriage ?


Joanne.x

Hi Joanne,

John/Jack died only a few months after the marriage. The cert will tell you how he died and will also confirm that he's the right one. He should be listed as the husband of Frances.


Name: John E Anderson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
Year of Registration: 1916
Quarter of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep
Age at Death: 23
District: Bromley
County: Greater London, Kent
Volume: 2a
Page: 560



There's also this death, but I'm inclined to lean towards the first one even though he died in Bromley.



Name: John Anderson
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1892
Year of Registration: 1917
Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar
Age at Death: 25
District: Bethnal Green
County: Greater London, London, Middlesex
Volume: 1c
Page: 186


I'll have a look for any children.





Deb:)

Hi Debs
Many Thanks


Joanne.x