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trying to find james white who lived in sturgis street st saviour southwark,dob at a guess 1870 + wild ask but someone may know him the above info is all i have to go on sorry

can I ask where you got him from please?

james white was a name given to me by a relation,and his name is on a birth certificate i have

Different Patricia:
Who else is on the birth certificate, please?
And is the above, found by Susan, correct?
Thank-you

Can you give details of what's on the birth certificate?

I dont quite understand Patricia , you have the birth cert but guess he was born 1870? It's a a bit of a mystery.

His birth cert should give his exact date of birth, parents names and father's occupation if known.Can you share it with us and say what you want us to find out about him please ?

Maybe James White is the father on the birth certificate

Hi

have found this on London parish registers on ancestry

James White born 15/8/1869 bap 5/9/1869
Parish St Saviour, southwark
father James White and mother Mary Jane
lived St George the Martyr Southwark
Father was a Cane worker

any good

Ann

1871 this one then?
Name: James White
Age: 1 year, 8 months
Estimated birth year: abt 1869
Relation: Son
Father's Name: James
Mother's Name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Southwark
Civil parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Trinity Newington




Name: James White
Age: 32
Estimated birth year: abt 1839
Relation: Head
Spouse's name: Mary
Gender: Male
Where born: Shoreditch
Civil parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England



Name: Mary White
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1845
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: James
Gender: Female
Where born: Bermondsey, Surrey, England
Civil parish: St Mary Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: Trinity
County/Island: London
Country: England
Registration district: St Saviour Southwark
Sub-registration district: Trinity Newington

the 1871 census Jansmith hs found is the same James whose birth I have found as his father is a cane worker on the census living 288 Kent street

1881 cant read street name but had another child a daughter Mary age 7

Ann

o.k. thanks i need to look closely at these james whites as i said before all i have is a birth certificate and a fathers name entry blank,but am thinking did she(lizzie ) give him the names james white as a ruse for fathers name?she went on to have another child 1908 called him william john fathers name was added as( william john)well this is her fathers name.james was born east street southwark,they had mooved from sturgis st,where james white lived?some cover up here i think

hi

are you saying James whites mother is called Lizize (elizabeth)then as I dont think you have mentioned this before and the one I found had Mary Jane as mother so must be wrong one

Is Lizzie's surname White or something please

Ann

Whose birth certificate do you have?

Christine

the birth certificate i have james white born 8 june 1899.mother is eliza burgess,father is left blank,adress 22 east street all this is corect,i am looking for the father of this child possibly james white living in sturgiss street(sturge)southwark possibly born around 1873,quite a hard ask but someone might be able to help?

So is this the birth cert you have?

Births Jun 1899 (>99%)
Burgess James White St. Saviour 1d 152

You said there is no father given so I presume you are just guessing that the father could be James White. If it is the case then you will also have no idea how old he would be and will not be able to prove anything.

Christine

1901 then is about all you will get i think
Name: Eliza Burgess
Age: 28
Estimated birth year: abt 1873
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: John
Mother's Name: Sarah Ann
Gender: Female
Where born: Southwark, London, England
Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London
Country: England



Name: James Burgess
Age: 1 9 months
Estimated birth year: abt 1899
Relation: Grandson
Mother's Name: Caroline
Gender: Male
Where born: Newington, London, England
Civil parish: Newington
Ecclesiastical parish: All Saints
County/Island: London

Household Members:
Name Age
John Burgess 63
Sarah Ann Burgess 59
Eliza Burgess 28
Thomas Burgess 19
Caroline Burgess 20
James Burgess 1 9 months

how did you get james burgess 1899 mother caroline on his birth certificate it says mother eliza burgess

Different Patricia:
On the 1901 census it does not say on the actual census form that Caroline is James' Mother - it just has his name immediately under her name and so an assumption has been made that she is his mother. (My copy is faint so I might have missed something, but that is what it looks like)
Does that make sense?
Thank-you

yes thats o.k when i read it i thought it was wrong phew.......

Just to put the cat amongst the pigeon's I've found this baptism

Name: James Burgess
Record Type: Baptism
Date: 23 Jun 1899
Born: 8 Jun 1899
Father's Name: James Burgess occ Horse Keeper
Mother's Name: Eliza Burgess (it states 'blind mother' alongside the entry)
Address: 186 East Street
Parish: St John the Evangelist, Walworth
Borough: Southwark
County: Middlesex