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FannyByGaslight
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3 Nov 2008 13:49 |
Annie noble died on august 4th 1917aged 26 in reading hospital after giving birth to aubrey noble in the may.Informant of her death was the hospital registrar.I was hoping for a friend or employer! Aubrey was reg by an Edith Thorn on 11th august 1917 to annie noble a domestic servant. Annie Noble also had Henry James noble in 1913[berks reg] out of wedlock who is my number 1 sons grandfather. There are no births of annie noble in berks and 7 to choose from through the country. Any ideas or help of how i could narrow down her birth please? Also how to find out who may have brought the boys up or how to find what institution they may have been placed in? my ex hubby does not speak to me so there is no chance of asking his side so all help gratefully recieved. vivienne
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Janet 693215
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3 Nov 2008 14:46 |
In your position I'd be looking for a Thorn/Noble marriage to see if Edith and Annie were sisters.
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FannyByGaslight
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3 Nov 2008 15:17 |
good thinking janet,just tried it but no good only a norah thorn and pheobe noble same page 1907. edith thorn says she was the occupier of the house where aubrey was born,but what i cant fathom is why she reged him after annies death? hoping annie would get better maybe? any more suggestions most welcome thanks vivienne
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Janet 693215
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3 Nov 2008 15:59 |
I guess she assumed that Annie would register him once she got better. What are the details of cause of death? Were they related to the birth. I would imagine that a stranger who shared the house wouldn't have been looking after Aubery and his brother unless she had some means of supporting them.
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Annette
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3 Nov 2008 19:33 |
Could possibly be linked, if Edith was a relation?
Births Dec 1893 Noble Edith Clara Reading 2c 343
Also possibly linked (if Henry James was named after Annie's father perhaps?):
Marriage Name: James Henry Noble Year of Registration: 1887 Quarter of Registration: Oct-Nov-Dec District: Cookham County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 883 Other names Emily Ann Radbourne OR Mary Ann E Wilkins
Have you got Henry or Aubrey's marriage certs - you may get some clues from them?
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FannyByGaslight
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3 Nov 2008 22:02 |
thanks peeps i have henrys marriage cert back in 10 when ive digestested your answers viviene
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FannyByGaslight
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3 Nov 2008 22:29 |
on both aubrey and henrys b.cs shes a domestic servant and also on her death cert aubrey was born in may and annie died in august of acute double pneumonia and asphixia Henry marriage cert says henry james noble 32 yrs[ he lied but then dont they all?]as he married a woman much younger and he was divorced. electrical engineer no father best bit the divorced husband of ..madeline nina noble formely Lane[spinster]is written where bachelor would normally be my xmother in law was one of the nicest people going and still alive but we,re not allowed to speak to her after 30 yrs even though she would like it and as my son says ..their loss.. if wishes were kisses!!!
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FannyByGaslight
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3 Nov 2008 22:58 |
suzi wong just pmd you vivienne
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FannyByGaslight
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3 Nov 2008 23:02 |
Annette Thank you i will certainly look into that one as that looks fair promising. vivienne
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Jill 2011 (aka Warrior Princess of Cilla!)
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3 Nov 2008 23:06 |
Is there an earlier birth reg for Aubrey? I'm wondering whether Edith registered him in case his mum hadn't done so. The gap seems a bit odd otherwise.
Jill
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FannyByGaslight
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3 Nov 2008 23:18 |
Cant find any other jill i think she was just hoping annie pulled round and could do it herself and then when she died edith thought shed hurry up and do it. wonder who chose the name aubrey? edith or annie ??such an unuaual name as well for that time especially to a domestic servants wrong side of the blanket child,well 2nd child being romantic!! bet they were both by same dad and she had on rose coloured specs and thought he walked on water and would marry her in the end the **^><"$%&*()b vivienne
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3 Nov 2008 23:30 |
Hi Vivienne,
Have a very close look at Aubrey's birth cert. If anyone other than immediate family registered his birth, they would have had to sign a statutory declaration when providing mother's name. "As per declaration" should be written somewhere on the cert if Edith, the informant wasn't related to Annie.
If it's not there then Edith and Annie were related.
Deb:)
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FannyByGaslight
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3 Nov 2008 23:49 |
DEB henry james noble 12/03/1913 born farley hill reading reg on 18 /04/ 1913. by annie noble[mother].41 russell street as per declaration dated 17 april 1913 and then she reged him on the 18th aubrey born 18/05/1917 at 34 highgrove st reading reged on 11/08 1917 by edith thorn of 34 highgrove street [ occupier] no declaration. so why then did annie have to do a declaration for henry being his mother and not edith for aubrey who wasnt his mother ? im lost!! vivienne
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FannyByGaslight
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4 Nov 2008 00:05 |
Gotta go bed ,falling asleep ,back to look at it in morning thank you all and every one vivienne
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4 Nov 2008 06:06 |
Hi Vivienne,
Whoever registered Henry James' birth wasn't a blood relative. They (whoever they were) provided Henry's mother's details and had to sign the stat dec. It wasn't Annie. I know this might sound harsh but could Annie have been simple? She may have needed help registering the birth.
On my mother's birth cert, her mother's details were provided by a non relative who signed a stat dec. This person's details don't appear on the cert.
It can be very confusing but from what I can gather, Annie wasn't living with family when her first son Henry was born. Possibly an employer or workmate registered the birth for Annie? Only Annie's details would have appeared and non relative's wouldn't.
Annie was living in Edith's house when her 2nd son Aubrey was born. Edith, being a relative registered Aubrey on Annie's behalf after Annie's death. Because Edith was related, she didn't have to sign a stat dec and her details appear on the cert.
I hope this makes sense.
Deb:)
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4 Nov 2008 06:47 |
There's an Edith who married a George Thorn.
Marriages Jun 1915 Paddock Edith Thorn Reading 2c 1006 Thorn George Paddock Reading 2c 1006
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4 Nov 2008 07:48 |
I can see there's only one Edith Paddock in Berks in the 1891 and 1901 census but I can't view it as my subscription's expired.
Can you post those Rose? I'm curious to see if we can make a family connection to Annie Noble. I can't seem to find a suitable Annie Noble in Berks.
Deb:)
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4 Nov 2008 08:03 |
1891 England Census about Edith Paddock Name: Edith Paddock Age: 1 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Fanny Gender: Female Where born: Frilsham, Berkshire, England Civil Parish: Easthampstead Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary Town: Easthampstead County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Registration district: Easthampstead Sub registration district: Bracknell ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Neighbors: View others on page Household Members: Name Age Jane Lea 76 Edith Paddock 1 Fanny Paddock 27 John Paddock 34 William J Paddock 3 Rose
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4 Nov 2008 08:08 |
1901 England Census about Edith Paddock Name: Edith Paddock Age: 11 Estimated Birth Year: abt 1890 Relation: Daughter Father's Name: John Mother's Name: Fanny Gender: Female Where born: Box Wellhouse Civil Parish: St Lawrence Ecclesiastical parish: St Lawrence County/Island: Berkshire Country: England Registration district: Reading Sub registration district: St Giles ED, institution, or vessel: 35 Neighbors: View others on page Household schedule number: 195 Household Members: Name Age Edith Paddock 11 Ellen Paddock 2 Fanny Paddock 36 Harry Paddock 9 Hilda Paddock 6 months John Paddock 46 Joseph Paddock 4 Thomas Paddock 7 William J Paddock 13 Rose
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4 Nov 2008 08:10 |
Thanks Rose,
So, Easthampstead? I'm still not seeing Annie but in births there's an Emma and Alfred Noble born around 1890 in Easthampstead. I'm wondering if Annie could have been Emma? Clutching at straws!
Name: Emma Noble Year of Registration: 1890 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Easthampstead (1837-1937) County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 541
Name: Alfred Noble Year of Registration: 1891 Quarter of Registration: Jan-Feb-Mar District: Easthampstead (1837-1937) County: Berkshire Volume: 2c Page: 679
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