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I've just received a marriage certificate, these are the details on it:

August 24th 1884, Stapleford
Thomas Thorpe, Age: UNDER, father is Thomas Thorpe
Mary Jane SLack, Age: UNDER, father is William Slack

Witnesses are Thomas Mann (I think) and Jemima (can't read the surname).

Firstly, does anyone know what 'under' means? I presume it means that they were under 18 or 21?

Secondly, I can't find either of them with their respective fathers on the 1871 or 1881 census. What should I try next? Thanks!

What county is Stapleford....there are a few.

Suzanne

under 21

Stapleford is in Belper registration district, Derbyshire.

Nicola, what were the father's occupations? Also Thomas and Mary Jane's?

Have you found Thomas and Mary Jane on the census after their marriage? If so, what are their POB?

Thanks for your replies.

Suzi-Wong: It's Stapleford in Nottinghamshire according to the certificate, but i think it's on the border of Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire now.

Potty: Both Thomas and his father and his father-in-law were colliers, and Mary Jane did not have a profession. I've found them in 1891-1911, and his age varies by about 3 years! I think he was born around 1863-1865.

nicola will you put the 1891 and 1911 census up please


June x

1891 is this the right family

Name: Thomas Thorpe
Age: 28
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1863
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Mary J
Gender: Male
Where born: Moseley, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Burntwood
Ecclesiastical parish: Chasetown
Town: Chase Terrace
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Lichfield
Sub-registration district: Lichfield
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Thorpe 28
Mary J Thorpe 24
Samuel Thorpe 4
George H Thorpe 1
Joseph Thorpe 2 weeks



Probably not as not in the right area

one problem is that people sometimes made up the names of their fathers!



sylvia

Glitter Baby: That's them! They seemed to move around Nottinghamshire and Staffordshire.

On the 1911 census they are:

Thomas Head 45 married for 26 years, 8 children, 3 living, miner gatter, born wolverhampton staffs
Mary Jane Wife 44 Bloxwich, Staffs
Samuel son 24 miner loader
George Herbert son 21 miner loader
Frank son 15 miner horse driver
All the children are born in Chase Terrace, Staffs

Births Mar 1867
SLACK Mary Jane Walsall 6b 602

Rose

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Looks like Slack on the image.

1871 England Census
about Mary Stack
Name: Mary Stack
Age: 4
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: William
Mother's Name: Elizabeth
Gender: Female
Where born: Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England
Civil parish: Walsall
Ecclesiastical parish: Bloxwich
Town: Bloxwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England
Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Bloxwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 12
Household schedule number: 244
Household Members: Name Age
William Stack 37
Elizabeth Stack 38
Joseph Stack 13
Eliza Stack 11
Mary Stack 4

Rose

Thank you, that's given me a good lead to go on!

the entry for the marriage of Thomas Thorpe and Mary Jane Slack in 1884 shows them being married at Shardlow which is in Derbyshire

Bren - More specifically, the GRO marr index entry shows:

Marriages Sep 1884 (>99%)
Slack Mary Jane Shardlow 7b 658
THORPE Thomas Shardlow 7b 658

So they were married in Shardlow Registration District, not necessarily in the village of Shardlow, Derbyshire.
In fact, the RD includes villages in Notts and Leics, as you can see by click on the "Shardlow" link, then the more info "here" link.
In this case, we know (since Nicola's seen the m.cert) they were born in Shardlow RD, but 10km to NNE, in Stapleford, Notts.

1901

Name: Mary J Thorpe
Age: 34
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Relation: Wife
Spouse's Name: Thomas
Gender: Female
Where born: Bloxwich, Staffordshire, England

Civil parish: Norton
Ecclesiastical parish: Norton St James
Town: Norton
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage:

Education:

Employment status: View image

Registration district: Cannock
Sub-registration district: Cannock
ED, institution, or vessel: 33
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 126
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Thorpe 36 Willenhall, Staffordshire / coal miner
Mary J Thorpe 34
Samuel Thorpe 15
George H Thorpe 11
Frank Thorpe 15




June x

same family has 1871

1861

Name: William Slack
Age: 27
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1834
Relation: Head
Spouse's Name: Elizabth
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Walsall Foreign
Ecclesiastical parish: Bloxwich
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address:

Occupation:

Condition as to marriage: View image

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Bloxwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 208
Household Members: Name Age
William Slack 27 collier
Elizabth Slack 28
Joseph Slack 2
Eliza Slack 1
John Slack 25 lodger /collier









1881

Name: William Slack
Age: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1833
Relation: Lodger
Gender: Male
Where born: Nottinghamshire, England

Civil parish: Walsall Foreign
County/Island: Staffordshire
Country: England

Street Address: 20 House Clarendon St
Condition as to marriage: Widow
Education:

Employment status: View image
Occupation: Coal Miner

Registration district: Walsall
Sub-registration district: Bloxwich
ED, institution, or vessel: 10
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members: Name Age
Emma Hall 30
Jane Hall 8
Joseph Hall 7
Clara Hall
Richard Stanley 31
William Slack 48



June x

Thank you for your help, that's got to be them!