Genealogy Chat

Hi all,
Apologies if this thread has moved on since and this is now old news....

I'm not sure if this helps, however I am convinced that Alice Mary Anne Inwood & Charlotte Dinah Inwood were different people.
There is a distinct possibility that Charlotte Dinah died in 1862 and was registered as Charlotte Dinah Pratt in the Dec Qtr of 1862 for Birmingham 6D / 58. I've always assumed this was her and was registered under the pseudonym that the separated Selina Bettridge / Inwood / Pratt / Yapp was going under at that time. She was then buried as Charlotte Yapp in 1862 at Wasrstone Lane cemetary in grave number 10876.

To make matters even more complicated I have a copy of a certificate of marriage for Mary Ann Inwood and George Porter for the 12th July 1870 at St Martins in Birmingham. Mary Ann's father is Robert Inwood (although shown as a lathe rinder, not a printer). I had always assumed that this was Alice, but it seems from this thread that I am wrong (or she married with undue haste if George died quickly). Not sure how this fits in but I cannot find another Mary Ann Inwood that fits the bill - Alice being baptised as Alice Mary Ann in 1853, again at St Martin.

Thanks Rose - that's what I thought.

So is this one of those searches that I have to put on the back burner? I wonder if I shall ever track 'MY' Alice down. I still can't believe she would change her name as drastically as to Charlotte Dinah(DIana being Selina's middle name)

It seems to be back to the old saying that
"you know who your mother was because she bore you but you only know who your father was because your mother told you"

- except that even that seems to be a bit doubtful when you read of the adopted babies etc!
thanks for thinking for me and watching over my threshing about
love
Jill

Robert is listed as a printer in 1861 so that fits.

Too bad there are no relatives as witnesses.

Rose

Oops missed it again
The witnesses at the marriage were
Jane Wragg (her mark)
Henry Bevan.
Jill

Sorry Rose, I missed that!
on the wedding cert Alice's father Robert was a Printer - and I had quite forgotten that!
Bride and groom were down as living in Sherlock St, Birmingham and were married at St Martins.
I've trawled loads of records and not found Alice.
cheers
Jill

Jill,

I asked this earlier but perhaps you didn't see.

What was Robert Inwood's occupation and where was Alice living when she married in 1882 and who were the witnesses to the marriage?

Rose

I'm going round in circles with my ggran Alice Inwood aka Alice Yapp.
I can see why Rose thought she could have been Charlotte Dinah although I can't see why such a great change of name.
The wedding cert of Alice Inwood to George Roath in sep 1872 gives her age as 22 and Charlotte Dinah Inwood was age 2 on the 1861 census.
I'm keen to get Alice's birth cert but she is eluding me somewhat.....
What does anyone think?
My brain is beginning to hurt as I've sat poring over this family (MY family!) for ages. I can't even think what question to ask!
ANY advice would be helpful.
thanks
Jill

The Harry Yopp that you found on the 1881 census, Rose, is the right age to be Alice's illegitimate son, and then would have been the grandson of Selina.
(don't worry about me I'm just thinking aloud and really clutching at straws!)
Jill

I'm rather thrilled with the "mess" Rose. I'm quite pleased to have found a 'black sheep' and even more of a mystery. I've been sitting today with all the facts in front of me and wondering which way to jump.
You have convinced me that I 'need' Ancestry - so I hope you get commission from them!!! :)
There is no hint of a second name on my Alice and I can't see how you think she might be Charlotte......
The family always had suspicions about Alice though, but she died when my grandad was quite young and the new wife (Anniie Roath) wanted him out of the house - presumably when little Willie was born.
All grist to the mill, Rose!
love
Jill

I'm surprised you're grateful Jill! I've uncovered more of a mess.

What was Robert Inwood's occupation and where was Alice living when she married in 1882 and who were the witnesses to the marriage?

Things I can't figure out right now are:

1) What happened to Alice Mary Ann born 1853?

2) Is Charlotte Dinah your Alice? There's a Charlotte Yapp born c1870 but I don't see her birth.

Rose

My head is spinning with all this! I can't even begin to think how I am going to record all this!
How/where should I start???
What certificates will give me any sort of proof or further information ?
I can't tell you how grateful I am Rose!
Jill

Wow Rose!!!
Sorry I have been away as Sunday is a busy day for an organist!
Thanks a million.
I really wish my aunty Grace Roath was still alive as she would have been fascinated by all this as it has been an ongoing family mystery.
It's no good - I'll have to get Ancestry. The spelling variations make it worth its weight in gold.
Thanks so much - I've spent hours on this to no avail so far. You have really given me a leg up!
Jill

Finally found them in 1861! Selina is a naughty woman:

1861 England Census
about Selina Pratt
Name: Selina Pratt
Age: 26
Estimated birth year: abt 1835
Relation: Head
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Martin
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Martin
ED, institution, or vessel: 23
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 88
Household Members: Name Age
Selina Pratt 26
Charlotte Dinah Pratt 2
Helena Matilda Pratt 10 Mo

She claims to be widowed.

I wonder if Charlotte Dinah later becomes known as Alice?


Rose

I suspect all the following are Selina and Robert's children:

Births Mar 1850
Inwood Selina Diana Birmingham 16 406

Deaths Sep 1850
INWOOD Selina Dianna Birmingham 16 252


Births Sep 1851
Inwood Robert Richard Betteridge Birmingham 16 397

Births Dec 1853
INSWOOD Alice Mary Ann Birmingham 6d 80

Births Mar 1856
INWOOD George Walter Birmingham 6d 95

Births Mar 1858
Inwood Selina Birmingham 6d 81

Deaths Mar 1858
Inwood Selina Birmingham 6d 47

Births Dec 1858
Inwood Charlotte Dinah Birmingham 6d 89

Plus Eleanor around 1860.

Rose

Here's another:

CHARLOTTE DINAH INWOOD

Christening:
21 NOV 1858 St John, Deritend And Bordesley, Warwick, England

Parents:
Father: ROBERT INWOOD
Mother: SELINAH

Births Dec 1858
Inwood Charlotte Dinah Birmingham 6d 89

Rose

Eleanor was an Inwood too:

ELEANOR MATILDA INWOOD

Christening:
24 JUN 1860 St John, Deritend And Bordesley, Warwick, England


Parents:
Father: ROBERT INWOOD
Mother: SELINA

Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C069811

Can't find her birth registration on FreeBMD though.

Rose

Hmmm.

Think Robert Inwood never died. That might explain why Selina married under her maiden name the second time.

1861 England Census
about Robert Inwood
Name: Robert Inwood
Age: 10
Estimated birth year: abt 1851
Relation: Son
Father's Name: Robert
Gender: Male
Where born: Birmm, Warwickshire, England

Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Thomas
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Thomas
ED, institution, or vessel: 14
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 841/2
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Inwood 50
Eliza Inwood 25 sister
Robert Inwood 10
Thomas Inwood 5

Rose

Selina and Robert in 1851:

1851 England Census
about Selina Jorwood
Name: Selina Jorwood
Age: 23
Estimated birth year: abt 1828
Relation: Wife
Spouse's name: Robert
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: Christ Church
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Philip
ED, institution, or vessel: 5
Neighbors: View others on page
Household schedule number: 70
Household Members: Name Age
Robert Jorwood 39
Selina Jorwood 23


Rose

Not sure that 1853 birth I found is the one:

1871 England Census
about Alice Tapp
Name: Alice Tapp
[Alice Yapp]
Age: 14
Estimated birth year: abt 1857
Relation: Daughter
Father's Name: Thomas
Mother's Name: Selina
Gender: Female
Where born: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
Civil parish: Birmingham
Ecclesiastical parish: St Paul
Town: Birmingham
County/Island: Warwickshire
Country: England
Registration district: Birmingham
Sub-registration district: St Paul
ED, institution, or vessel: 6
Household schedule number: 115
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Tapp 44
Selina Tapp 44
Alice Tapp 14
Eleanor Tapp 11
Thomas Tapp 9
Ada Tapp 3
Charlotte Tapp 1

Rose

Is it a birth cert. you're after?

Rose