Genealogy Chat

I first posted this thread in March and am no further ahead.

I am trying to locate a burial site for my maternal grandmother.
A bit of background:
Pauline (Polly) ALBEITMAN was born in 1907 (Jan-Mar quarter) in London. Pauline married Richard INGRAM in August 1926. They had two children, Sheila and John. Sadly, Pauline died in Nov 1933. In 1936 Richard married Eva ALBEITMAN (Pauline's elder sister). I discovered today, they had a Civil Ceremony(Kensington) and then a Ceremony at the West Lodon Synagogue. They retired to Kent and both are buried there.

I know Pauline died at home (10 Dordrecht Rd, Acton) per her death certificate. I have been emailing various Councils (in the area ) about burial records, but with no luck.

I now have a marriage certificate for Pauline and Richard. It appears they had a Civil Ceremony at the Hammersmith Registry Office. I note Pauline has fudged her age, stating she was 22. By my reckoning, she was actually 18/19ish. I figure from dates that she was expecting my Mum. I was hoping the marriage record would provide a Church or Parish whose records I could check.

I am now at a total loss as to where next to proceed. Pauline must be buried (cremated) somewhere...?

Paulines parents and other siblings are all buried in Jewish Cemeteries around London. I have not been able to find a record for Pauline.

I am accompanying my 83yr old Mum to the UK in July and would dearly love to 'find' Pauline for my Mum's sake. She has never known anything of her Mum at all.

If anyone has managed to plough there way through this long thread, I THANK you, if anyone can help me in anyway or provide any search hints , I will be sincerely grateful.

Cheers,
Susan

Thankyou Joan,

I will follow that up.

Susan

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Just a thought Susan, have you been looking for her under Polly or Pauline? She was registered as Polly at birth. Cx.

Have you tried Willesden Jewish Cemetary??

"Willesden Jewish Cemetery is a cemetery for Jews in Beaconsfield Road, Willesden, London Borough of Brent. It opened in 1873 on a 20-acre (0.08 km2) site. More properly, it is the Willesden United Synagogue Cemetery." - Wikipedia

She'd be in good company - some of the Rothschilds are buried there.

A list of Jewish cemetaries - just in case you don't already have them.

1.Alderney Road Cemetery, Stepney, London E.1 (formerly of Great Synagogues) (disused)

2.Brady Street Cemetery, Whitechapel, London E.1 (formerly of New and Great Synagogues) (disused):

3.Bushey Cemetery, Bushey, Hertfordshire (active)

4.East Ham Cemetery, Marlow Road, High Street South, London E.6 (disused)

5.Hackney Cemetery, Lauriston Road, London E9: (formerly of Hambro Synagogue) (disused)

6.Hoxton Cemetery, Hoxton Street, London N1 (formerly of Hambro Synagogue) (no longer exists)

7.Plashet Cemetery, 361 Manor Park High Street North, London E12 (disused)

8.Waltham Abbey Cemetery, Skillet Hill (Honey Lane), Waltham Abbey, Essex (active)

9.West Ham Cemetery, Buckingham Road, Forest Lane, London E15 (closed)

10.Willesden Cemetery, London NW10 (generally full, unless plot reserved)

Hvae you tried,
Kensal Rise Cemetry,,they have a large Jewish plot,
also,Hanwell

,North Sheen.

Hammersmith &Fulham
,these also have plots for Jewish faith.

.as does
Brompton West Kensington
.
Most London Brorough Cemetries have Jewish/RCatholic plots....

Goodness me Susan, you're going to v.busy going through all those!!! Hope you find what you are looking for. Cx.

ps. don't forget to look for Polly!!

Hello,

Thanks, NinjaLady , Kay and Cynthia. I did go to a UK Jewish Cemetery site that gave a search access to all burials. I managed to find all the family bar Pauline. Her parents are buried at Willesden, brother at Waltham Abbey and sister at Bushey. No Pauline. Although she was registered as Polly a birth, her marriage certificate and death certificate are both in the name of Pauline.

Hammersmith/Fulham Council was one that I have previously emailed, they had no record of Pauline. I will check out who administers your suggested cemeteries and contact them.

Thanks for your time,

Susan

Is there anyone with a subscription to findmypast who could check out a record for me please?

I went to the site and put in the details of Pauline Ingram, died 1933, born 1907 plus/minus 5 years , search any area. One result popped up for Dorset which is probably the wrong Pauline but worth a shot.

Many thanks,

Susan

Parish Records Collection - burial
Day Mth died:

Year died: ----

Day Mth born:

Year born:

Age:

Forenames: ------

Surname: INGRAM

Place: Child Okeford

Yard: St Nicholas

County: Dorset

Country: England

Relationship: do William & Elizabeth

Monument type: T

Grave Ref: A14

Notes:



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Record source: Dorset Memorial Inscriptions

Data provider: Dorset, and Somerset and Dorset Family History

Hi Cathy,

As I suspected not my Pauline. Back to checking out records Cemetery by Cemetery.

Many thanks for your time

Susan

I have just returned from the UK. On visiting my Uncle in Exeter and mentioning my search for Pauline's grave, he produced her burial card. I had no idea it was in existence....

I now know Pauline Ingram was buried in the Greyhound Lane Cemetery, Streatham. The cemetery is still active and is managed by West End Great Synagogue, Cumberland Place, London. The burial was overseen by the West End Chesed V'Ameth Burial Society.

Our hotel was the Cumberland. We were so close and yet so far... We didn't have time during the rest of our visit to return to London to visit the Cemetery. I am very happy to now know Pauline's resting place but so sad I didn't get the opportunity to visit her grave.

Maybe I will be lucky enough to get back to the UK one day.

Thanks again to all who provided tips in my original posting.
Susan

Hi Susan. Very mixed emotions then. At least you can have peace of mind knowing where she was laid to rest.

As you say...one day you may be able to come back and visit the grave.

Thank you for keeping us informed.

Take care. Cynthia

Susan,

Perhaps someone could take a photo for you?

Rose

Hi Cynthia and Rose,

I have a cousin of my Mum who lives in Australia due to visit the UK later in the year. I will ask him if he gets a chance during his trip, if he would be so kind as to visit the grave and take a photograph.

He is a nephew of Pauline's.

Regards,
Susan

Update,

Hello, just wanted to post that I was able to visit the grave of Pauline in May this year. It was so easy to find :-).

I also visited the grave of my great grandparents in Willesden Jewish Cemetery.

I hope they somehow knew I was there.....

Thanks to all previous helpers.

I also visited the graves of my paternal grandmother and her MIL, great grandmother , both buried in Manchester Cemeteries. :-)

Hi Susan

That isa great story .. :-) :-) :-)

So happy for you to have found the graves, and for your mum as well :-)

Cheers
Karen of Brisbane

:-)

Susan
I'm so pleased that you were able to visit those resting places.........

..............
Your tombstone stands among the rest
neglected and alone
The name and date have worn off
the weathered marble stone
It reaches out to all who care
It's now too late to mourn
You did not know that I'd exist
You died....and I was born
Yet each of us are cells of you
in flesh, in blood, in bone
Our hearts contract and beat a pulse
entirely not our own
Dear ancestor, the place you filled
some hundred years ago
Spreads out among the ones you left
who would have loved you so
I wonder how you lived and loved
I wonder if you knew
That someday I would find this place
and come to visit you.

Anon

Thank you Karen,

and to you Gwyn, what a lovely poem and very appropriate :-)


Best wishes

Susan